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Originally posted by St_Andrew we probably agree here, just never let the paranoia get too big... which i think it does here sometimes...

Not sure what the paranoia is. Perhaps a bit paranoid of being attacked, and rightly so, but of freedom?

I think what happens is that we see that people in North Korea, in Africa, in Iraq, formerly Afghanistan, etc have no real rights, even though as a human basic rights should exist. It is hard, even as an "arrogant" nation as you would probably call us, to see this and have the entire world just turn it's cheek at it, as thought the people of those countries should just deal with it because it was imposed on them with no say whatsoever. They don't need European freedom or American freedom, just basic freedoms at the least.

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 shutup you retarded hick

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Originally posted by Shakka Again, I can only surmise that this is a generalization based on some experience that you've had in Canada?

Don't what the hell St_Andrew is talking about...
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In America you have freedom to choose what you do with your life and equality, however the success among all people is not equal, otherwise we wouldn't be capitalist. Hence, the notion that if you work hard you'll move up is not completely accurate.

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Originally posted by TruffleShuffle In America you have freedom to choose what you do with your life and equality

I posted this articlefrom The Register a while ago:

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A 15 year-old American girl has been charged with child pornography offences after posting pictures of herself online. The unnamed teenager is accused of sending photos of herself "in various states of undress and performing a variety of sexual acts" to people she met in online chat rooms, AP reports. Police found dozens of inappropriate photos when they seized the girl's PC. The teenager has been charged with the possession and distribution of child pornography as well as the sexual abuse of children.

To me, this is not having the freedom to do what you want to do.

WRT the original question, I would say that anser depends on what country in Europe you compare with what state in the US. Take Mississippi vs. The Netherlands and California vs. Greece and you will see that the answer changes from one to the other.

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec When you have the peaceful transfer of power in a country divided 51-48....I find that as a freedom loving country.

Congratulations. You'v now managed to somehow connect a non-antibush thread to a bush topic, moron.

USA is not free btw, when the day comes that i can go up to that twat called dubya, and i can *freely* tell him FUCK YOU, and get away with it, then itll be "freedom of speech"

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Personally I have to say that I've noticed US high schools being much more restrictive than Croatian ones. I remember that in the US you weren't allowed to wear t-shirts with "offensive" slogans. Here nobody really bothered to read what it says on the shirt anyway. But then again, I've been living in North Dakota and I'm not sure if that's representative enough of the US as a whole...

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Personally I have to say that I've noticed US high schools being much more restrictive than Croatian ones. I remember that in the US you weren't allowed to wear t-shirts with "offensive" slogans. Here nobody really bothered to read what it says on the shirt anyway. But then again, I've been living in North Dakota and I'm not sure if that's representative enough of the US as a whole...

the more u provoke someone not to do something, the more likely they are to rebel. americans just dont get it.

owning guns at 16 years of age? hey no problem!

idiots.

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Well I guess I can provide a unique opinion since I lived in America for 21 years, then the last 4 in Italy.

I would agree with the pretense of America has the "Illusion" of Freedom. However, what it does have is religious freedom. That's really what the forefathers meant by "Land of the Free" - they were sick of religion being forced onto them from European countries.

Now, with that said - I think anyone that has been to Italy, Spain, France - would agree that you are pretty much "born" Catholic in these countries. So, from that perspective, America has done well in allowing it's citizens to freely choose for themselves in what they want to believe.

The downside to this, in my opinion, is that Atheism and evolutionary theory are being taught to people in the system much similiar to the way European countries are taught to be Catholic. It hasn't got to the point of that yet - but I think it's sloping towards it. While a good portion of the atheist population considers themselves "educated" - they've been, in my opinion, victim of yet another government approved belief system. It's not as black as white as it used to be (believe or die mentality) - but it's in a grey area in between.

Anyway, just my opinion on religious freedoms in Europe and America.

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Originally posted by trancaholic I posted this articlefrom The Register a while ago: quote: quote: A 15 year-old American girl has been charged with child pornography offences after posting pictures of herself online. The unnamed teenager is accused of sending photos of herself "in various states of undress and performing a variety of sexual acts" to people she met in online chat rooms, AP reports. Police found dozens of inappropriate photos when they seized the girl's PC. The teenager has been charged with the possession and distribution of child pornography as well as the sexual abuse of children. To me, this is not having the freedom to do what you want to do.

That depends on your view of American society. Food for thought from the people who helped form the nation:

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." -- Benjamin Franklin

"To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea." -- James Madison

"Bad men cannot make good citizens. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, is incompatible with freedom." -- Patrick Henry

"Liberty can no more exist without virtue and independence than the body can live and move without a soul." -- John Adams

"What is liberty without wisdom and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint." -- Edmund Burke

"And what is this liberty which must lie in the hearts of men and women? It is not the ruthless, the unbridled will; it is not freedom to do as one likes. That is the denial of liberty, and leads straight to its overthrow. A society in which men recognize no check upon their freedom soon becomes a society where freedom is the possession of only a savage few; as we have learned to our sorrow." -- Judge Learned Hand (1872-1961)

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Originally posted by kamil USA is not free btw, when the day comes that i can go up to that twat called dubya, and i can *freely* tell him FUCK YOU, and get away with it, then itll be "freedom of speech"

Everybody write down in your personal dictionaries what the *true* definition of "freedom of speech" is.