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Originally posted by tribu Im not really too suprised. Although, it also wouldnt suprise me if major crackers and release groups were working under microsoft's umbrella to ensure the MS could keep track of piracy by having immediate access to the names and reg numbers while windows silently reports to an MS Server....blah blah blah {insert conspiracy here}

In reference to the last point, get a standalone firewall, put a windows PC on the 'RED' inferface, and when you view the logs you can see just how much CRAP windows tries to send back to microsoft.

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Originally posted by Phil raa maybe cos it was the richest company in the world that didn't fork out a few pence to make the core sounds for their main product

i think u and malek are missing the main point. teh point being that you only need look at micorsoft's policies on cracking/hacking software, and the efforts they go to prevent it. they're hypocritical wankers. double standards. ppft.

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Originally posted by Nell i think u and malek are missing the main point. teh point being that you only need look at micorsoft's policies on cracking/hacking software, and the efforts they go to prevent it. they're hypocritical wankers. double standards. ppft.

they came out with "microsoft works" so this doesn't surprise me much... especially given the rest of their business practice. they "bought out" homer simpson

tbh the company i work for says one thing and practises another sometimes....and there's only 30 people working here.

i think it goes on a lot probably. but MS is more high profile than most.

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Originally posted by Nell i think u and malek are missing the main point. teh point being that you only need look at micorsoft's policies on cracking/hacking software, and the efforts they go to prevent it. they're hypocritical wankers. double standards. ppft.

The thing is that they are such a huge company that it's pretty much impossible for the left hand to know what the right hand is doing. Their OS workers have probably been divided into sections and it's just downright impossible to keep track if they all use legit software in what they are doing...

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery The thing is that they are such a huge company that it's pretty much impossible for the left hand to know what the right hand is doing. Their OS workers have probably been divided into sections and it's just downright impossible to keep track if they all use legit software in what they are doing...

^^ exactly.. you explained it perfectly on the dot.. it's not like one person is in charge of the whole operating system.. it would one one person's lifetime to create and manage an os..

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Originally posted by itsTrueSonic it doesn't surprise me. i heard microsoft hires hackers to help them with their source code to find all the back doors and fix them. who else to know where the back doors are than the hackers??? hahahaha... but that's the way the big business works. we can't do anything about it.

Isn't that like a good thing?

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Originally posted by Nabistai Isn't that like a good thing?

no not really .. because they technically do not work employed as microsoft, and do not work in redmond, washington headquarters with the rest of the workers.. they just work at home, and are given source code to analyze and decipher how to create a block to some open hole in the os... so the hacker creates it, and gives it to microsoft.. while all this, he doesn't sign any agreement stating he will not reveal any information he worked on with Microsoft with any counter companies in order to bring microsoft down (i wouldnt think microsoft would be that stupid not to have some agreement with the hacker)... therefore, he can do what he pleases with the "patch" he created for microsoft .. he gets the code floating around on the net ..

bad for microsoft .. good for us, if we want to hack windows??

but that's probably how the source code to Windows 2000 got leaked .. some hacker from the outside working for Microsoft leaked it.

Bill Gates is notorious for changing his mind so often that it hurts. He's the richest man in the world (excluding kings and stuff) and he did not get that way by being nice to anyone or playing by the rules. Gates has long bullied his way to the top and 50B later, he has so much money, he does not know what to do with it. See Gates wanted to crush the pirates but the court of public opinion was more important. I don't think Gates really gives a damn anymore, he's bullied Sun, Netscape, Oracle and others and he's won. He was once threatened to be fined a million dollars a day by the DOJ in the US, Gates response was typical, he laughed for a few minutes and said I make a million dollars every 2.5 hrs, I can afford it.

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Originally posted by torontotrance Bill Gates is notorious for changing his mind so often that it hurts. He's the richest man in the world (excluding kings and stuff) and he did not get that way by being nice to anyone or playing by the rules. Gates has long bullied his way to the top and 50B later, he has so much money, he does not know what to do with it. See Gates wanted to crush the pirates but the court of public opinion was more important. I don't think Gates really gives a damn anymore, he's bullied Sun, Netscape, Oracle and others and he's won. He was once threatened to be fined a million dollars a day by the DOJ in the US, Gates response was typical, he laughed for a few minutes and said I make a million dollars every 2.5 hrs, I can afford it.

wait .. when was he sued by Oracle?? why would Oracle think MS Sql server be much of a threat to Oracle software?

Haha, that's funny.

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Originally posted by itsTrueSonic it doesn't surprise me. i heard microsoft hires hackers to help them with their source code to find all the back doors and fix them. who else to know where the back doors are than the hackers??? hahahaha... but that's the way the big business works. we can't do anything about it.

Most major companies, even those not involved in the software/hardware industry, pay people to do this. In response to your last comment, I cannot believe that a large company such as Microsoft wouldn't make them sign a non-disclosure agreement; no company would ever be that trustworthy with another person.

Most of these "crackers" (yes, the correct term is cracker... blame "hacker" on mass-media) you talk about are what can be referred to as White-Hat, meaning "good." These people do not crack to cause damage, rather they do it because they want to help the company. Microsoft doesn't just wander into some script kiddie room on IRC and ask for the "1337-est d00d" to help them; they know who they can trust and who they can't.

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Originally posted by itsTrueSonic who else to know where the back doors are than the hackers??? hahahaha...

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