I'm not being sexist or anything; It just unsettles me that she is 50 years old and has never been married.

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Originally posted by CityKitty She's much more Hawkish than Powell, so it will be interesting to see what she does.

lol he said hawkish

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Originally posted by josh4 lol he said hawkish

Correction...he said Hawkish, with a capital "H".

Now is it really a he? CityKitty sounds kinda...effiminate to me.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Hmmm, let's see, answer a few questions for me, if you will: -Did Iraq have WMD stockpiles, like Wolfowitz, Feith, Rummy, Cheney, and the rest of the neocons have, yes or no? -Does it honestly appear that we ever had a viable post-war plan by the above characters, yes or no? -Did Rice state the truth about the Aug. 6th memo - was it truly a "historical document" during her 9/11 testimony, yes or no? -Did Rice state the truth about increasing funding for counterterrorism activities across several agencies during her 9/11 testimony? ***psst, you might want to Google 2001 vs. 2002 Budget Analysis; NY Times, 2/28/02; Newsweek, 5/27/02 for your answer*** -Did Rice state the truth about not knowing whether or not hijacked planes were a possible option for terrorists to use for attack during her 9/11 testimony? ***you might want to check out ABC News, 5/16/02; NBC, 9/10/02 before answering*** -Was Bush's tax cuts really not contributing to the deficit, as he clearly stated in 2001? -Do you see any means of Bush really pushing towards reducing the deficit in any manner? -Considering Bush signed on to these neo-con jackass stories about Iraq and WMD stockpiles, where exactly does the fucking buck stop? You really ought to check your bullshit rhetoric, Q5 - you Republicans seem to know everything about shifting the fucking blame. Strength and ignorance do not need to go hand in hand, but that seems pretty fucking fruitless for Bush apologists like you whom never seem to disagree with anything with this fucked up Administration.

Can't agree with you more... (even though I would have used more subtle language).


I watched Dr. Rice live during the 9/11 commision and got a very queasy feeling. The Daily Show that night strung out exactly what bothered me. She as National Security Advisor found no fault in her actions and took no responsiblity for the choices she made leading up to 9/11/01. She spent the entire time writing of the Aug 6th memo as a Historical Document. She blamed everyone except her copy boy for the agencies not being ready for an attack in the US.

Conclusion: REALITY IS NOT ONE OF HER MORAL VALUES.

As NSC advisor she recieved reports straight from our Energy Department about Aluminum tubes being unsuitable for Nuclear use. What did she do with it? Left it on her desk and delivered a speech at the white house on the immenent threat from Saddam Hussein's "Active" nuclear program.

Conclusion: TRUTH IS NOT ONE OF HER MORAL VALUES.

The Secretary of State is our top diplomat and will have to deal with the very sensitive issues, Middle East Peace, tensions between between China and Taiwan, N. Korea etc. I trusted Powell because he had a level head and handled the job well. After the hr+ long UN speech on Saddam's WMD stockpiles he had the guts to say he was wrong along with the weird statement about never seeing a "smoking gun" case for connecting Saddam to Al Queda. REALITY AND TRUTH are clearly important to him.

As for a Sec. of State Condi Rice. If she doesn't care about TRUTH and REALITY we're in for 4 more yrs of really crazy shit & god knows how many of our armed forces will be placed in harms way when she leaves THE TRUTH lying on her desk.

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oooohhh that face gives me chills

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Originally posted by Shakka Apparently it was always his intention to only serve for 1 term. I don't think he enjoys being in the public spotlight very much.

I am not sure if it is the public spotlight issue, I think it is simply the fact that it is a very demanding job. Long, long hours of stressfull work. I am really sad to see Powell leave, particularly now that they named Rice.

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Originally posted by auujay I am not sure if it is the public spotlight issue, I think it is simply the fact that it is a very demanding job. Long, long hours of stressfull work. I am really sad to see Powell leave, particularly now that they named Rice.

True. Good point.

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Originally posted by ierxium But Powell was the man for the job. I have yet to understand why he left.

errr because the president asked the lame duck to leave. duh! You think it was a lucky coincidence his replacement was anounced the very next day?

Rice was a good choice we need a spineless lying bitch that is willing to knuckle under to rummy and follows the president around like a lost puppy. Hope she works on her lying; she wasn't that convincing in front of the 9/11 commission. Historical document. I remember bush saying he welcomes dissent in his cabinet, interesting how all dissenter have been shown the door.

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Very sorry to see Colin Powell go. He seemed to be the one sane head amongst an insane posse of neo-conservative nutjobs and I shudder to think what direction US foreign policy is going to take without his steadying influence. Condi Rice doesn't seem to be as insane as the rest of them, but I'm not sure that's saying much. Her stonewalling during the 9/11 commission interviews, for instance, tells me that she isn't afraid to tow the administration's line and will be influenced far more easily by the less desirable elements of the Republican hierarchy than statesman Powell ever was.

If there's one positive thing sure to come from this, however, it's the tell-all autobiography that'll doubtless hit the shelves within the next 18 months...

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Originally posted by Yeopus I dunno. I'm sexist. I don't think there has ever been a good women Secretary of State.

I was originally going to disagree and suggest Madeline Albright, but then I realised you were only talking about female Secretaries of State.

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in all honesty, hearing about colin powell resigning and that condoleeza rice will be taking his spot gave me the absolute willies...

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Originally posted by Renegade If there's one positive thing sure to come from this, however, it's the tell-all autobiography that'll doubtless hit the shelves within the next 18 months...

that's why he wasn't turned lose until after the election

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Hmmm, let's see, answer a few questions for me, if you will: -Did Iraq have WMD stockpiles, like Wolfowitz, Feith, Rummy, Cheney, and the rest of the neocons have, yes or no?

it wasn't worth the risk to assume he didn't. it didn't take much to convince the Security Council either, but you have the luxury of shifting the blame in hindsight knowing full well you didn't know in the first place. thats the difference between strength and weakness.

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Does it honestly appear that we ever had a viable post-war plan by the above characters, yes or no?

yes. The major goals this administration has set have been achieved, or is being achieved. to have the luxuries of a pacifist in a time of war says nothing about your strength.

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Did Rice state the truth about the Aug. 6th memo - was it truly a "historical document" during her 9/11 testimony, yes or no?

don't ask me about about a non-specific PDB when no one else gave it signifigance but the ones (like you) that want to shift blame in hindsight. that is just so fucking weak dude.

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Did Rice state the truth about increasing funding for counterterrorism activities across several agencies during her 9/11 testimony?

it’s real nice to be able to pick and choose your arguments when you’re a liberal blame shifter. The truth is that the increases that occurred in ’98 of closer to $28 billion over 5 years, plus the over $500 million at the beginning of the Bush administration accounted for her testimony. http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/intel-funding.cfm
not including MAXCAP implemented in 2000.

What your argument or complaint amounts to is nothing but “banging on pots and pans”
Over some misstatement that has no real bearing on reality. It’s seems like you just pulled those retorts off of some reactionary website and now it’s gospel.