I dont think u can say one is completely better then the other, i think that they are better in different aspects and depending upon what you want to do you can use just 1 for everything, at least for simple software music production..... my opinion of course

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how is it 6 z3tas will kill your cpu, i mean yeah it gives it a burning but recent i loaded up some of my older projects done on a celron 1200 with 384mb of ram and a sb card not even sb live. and i would have about 14instances of z3ta 4 or so of albino a few of pro-53 and still it wouldnt grind it to a stop itd burn it pretty hard tho. so i took thoose same projects and loaded it ona new athlon xp 2600+ with pc2100 256mb of ram and a built in ac-97 compatible sound card and it played some 15 or so z3tas at the same time with no problems.... id be curious to hear what you have your audio settings at and your cpu and ram and such at where z3ta kills your cpu.

for a while now ive been using a 333mhz p2 laptop with 128mb of ram and can run sevral instences of pro-53 1 z3ta 1 albino cm-505 for full on percussion and a fxboard full of effects and have very few issues however on that pc i mostly use it to just gather ideas ill load up synths input midi data stack the fx channel full to how i like then export to wav and can have around 30+ synths with full effects and automation playing aslong as its in wav.... but yeah my shit still sucks no matter what i do but point is it can still run so im kinda curious about it..... btw host is fruityloops and yes my latency is cranked up but it really doesnt matter when your doinng nothing but sequencing as far as i know it only effects thigns if you wish to do them live or connect a synth.

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Supposedly the dude in charge of FLstudio is a huge asshole. He got into some drama on samplecity I think, he posted pics of a fancy car he wrecked or somethin, I don't really remember very well cuz I don't really care.

But lotsa people were posting about how they thought he was a retard and that they were suprised he was even capable of making something like fruity.

I would like fruity to be a bit more specialized for a specific function instead of just doing an everage job at everything. I like systems that are a bit more modular and allow you to pick which components to use and whatnot instead of being stuck with only one package to do your stuff with. I know fruity lets u use plugins, but I imagine it would work better if it wasnt such bloatware, it has lotsa stuff in it that is pretty useless and the program would probably be better at doing the important stuff if that useless crap wasn't in there.

It doesnt really matter which tools are better, the final product is the only thing we really care about. I have heard good stuff come out of almost all the programs out there. I beleive Concord Dawn uses fruity for DnB, which is quite suprising because their stuff doesnt sound so "gridlike" the way lotsa fruity songs end up sounding. There are lotsa people making good stuff with reason as well, but from what I read it seems like you have to use lotsa components to get a good sound out of it.

whatever works for you man.

As was posted above, Reason seems to produce the best stuff.

I don't know why, in theory Fruity's plugin capability should give it infinatly more power and versitility. But it doesn't seem to work that way from what I've heard in the ameteur forum...dunno why.

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how is it 6 z3tas will kill your cpu, i mean yeah it gives it a burning but recent i loaded up some of my older projects done on a celron 1200 with 384mb of ram and a sb card not even sb live. and i would have about 14instances of z3ta 4 or so of albino a few of pro-53 and still it wouldnt grind it to a stop itd burn it pretty hard tho.

depends on the polyphony of the patches you are using. your PC wont last long if you add even just 2 zetas with high poly + effects. they will have yor cpu for breakfast. i typically find that in many cases the synth alone wont crush your PC (unless of course it has high poly and internal effects on it). once you start compressing it, auto panning it and whacking on a VSTi reverb/delay, things will start to grind.

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I don't know why, in theory Fruity's plugin capability should give it infinatly more power and versitility. But it doesn't seem to work that way from what I've heard in the ameteur forum...dunno why.

hmmmm. just like any host, its capabilities are limited by the knowledge and experience of the producer. owing to the number of professional tracks ive heard in pretty much every sequencer on the market today, id say the limiting factor isnt the host. in most cases its the producer. when people dont achieve the sound they want the easiest thing to do is blame the tools for the limitations of their own expertese. c'mon people. this versus stuff is bullshit. use whatever you want - use a 10 year old amiga tracker if you find its the most natural way of writing and producing music. just make sure you are writing a kick ass tune with whatever you use to make it.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 I know fruity lets u use plugins, but I imagine it would work better if it wasnt such bloatware, it has lotsa stuff in it that is pretty useless and the program would probably be better at doing the important stuff if that useless crap wasn't in there.

just out of curisoty what makes it bloatware and umm whats useless and umm since when does useless crap make something not capble of doing the job?

think about what you just posted it really sounds alot like you dont even use it and never have even touched it and soley are going on what youve heard people say inzxtead of what you know.

[QUOTE] I like systems that are a bit more modular and allow you to pick which components to use and whatnot instead of being stuck with only one package to do your stuff with. [/QOUTE]

umm did you just describe reason in that statement it sounds liek you did instead of fruity loops, and doesnt that just show taht your indecisouns of what whats going on as in fruity you can specy what componest to use and what not. i mean i know i can i can just choose not use to that particular componet but hey maybe its just my 180iq or maybe its your lack of accutall working knowdlge of the program.... or maybe your like thoose people that swear speed is mdma and mdma is speed becuase your to fucking stupid to know the differnce and have no bassis for your knowdlge but what some fucks that only brag that they know shit say thigns instead of really knowing shit..... my simple point is tho youve made yourself look like a fool with what you said and i cant stop laughing...


anyhow tho a seqeuncer is a sequencer just make sure your using one that doesnt have issues exporting(ex.Reason) and make sure you are dedicated enough to learn a seqeuencer in and out ebfore you just right it off as being bad.... i dont like reason because i found it to be rather redaundent and not very straight forward, where as with flp if i want this i just go ok give me this if i want that it does that. but hey maybeit was just my youngness when i used reason that made it not seem appealing but now that im older and ahve been working with flp for 2years or so i feel that its far more suprior to reason. who knows

all in all dont post stupid comments they hurt my brain and my stupid comments hurt my brain to but most the time i dont care....... just forwaring you.

yeah i know the thing with z3ta is very varied on the patches and amount of polys and effects and such.. just find it intresting. but z3ta ownz me and i can bearly get it to make shit thatd sound good in anything but maybe expirmental and some shit.
ohh and who cares what the maker of a program does that doesnt show anything but your inabilty to talk shit about the software so must resort to rumours... anyhow tho fuck it use weaht you liek do waht you want just have fun doing it i guess

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I am actualy going off of what I have noticed after using fruity. I have had it since version 3.

I'm referring to silly things like html on the background, the beep map, the cosmetic visualizations, the scratcher, all the fruity sound sources and effects that sound awful and nobody uses. Useless features in a program commonly cause it to become bloatware. If one wants to use a program just to make music, then they will often have no need for a great many of fruity's features. So you think that these useless features do nothing to take away from the useful ones? I could name several programs that dont have as much useless stuff in them that out perform fruity in the areas that are more important.

I was not calling fruity bad in that post, I was just saying that it isnt becomming better then reason. Fruity is the best that I can afford and I use it every 4 or 5 days on average. I wasn't writing fruity off in any way, just voicing my preferences in a music program.

Yes I am well aware that reason is more restricting on what plugins you use, but fruity's compatibility with external components does not make it as modular as a program that is specialized for sequencing and has better component compatability. Having a package of fruity plugins to use makes it much more likely that your fruity song will have a 3osc or a 404 in it, whereas the programs that do better at controlling your intsruments and effects dont come with all the crap that you don't need that is included in fruity.

Did you even try to understand my meanings before you jumped to calling me stupid?

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Originally posted by Derivative hmmmm. just like any host, its capabilities are limited by the knowledge and experience of the producer. owing to the number of professional tracks ive heard in pretty much every sequencer on the market today, id say the limiting factor isnt the host. in most cases its the producer. when people dont achieve the sound they want the easiest thing to do is blame the tools for the limitations of their own expertese. c'mon people. this versus stuff is bullshit. use whatever you want - use a 10 year old amiga tracker if you find its the most natural way of writing and producing music. just make sure you are writing a kick ass tune with whatever you use to make it.

well yeah that's why I said in theory. Obviously Mauro Picotto is going to make a better tune with Fruity than I ever would in Reason. I was just saying that Fruity has near-infinate scope for expansion so you'd expect you could get much better results from it (in terms of originality if nothing else).

But as I said, this doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe the better producers just use Reason?

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Originally posted by Spad As was posted above, Reason seems to produce the best stuff. I don't know why, in theory Fruity's plugin capability should give it infinatly more power and versitility. But it doesn't seem to work that way from what I've heard in the ameteur forum...dunno why.

Simple... it's because there are more fruity users due to it's simplicity for the novice and flexibility for the professional.

When more people join a group, the overall intelligence of the group decreases; more people producing with fruity means more people making crap (percentage based, an exponential curve probably).

If you have 4 people total using fruity, and 1 is good, 1/4 of the group is talented. So if you double the number of users (2/8 now, same ratio, different saturation), 2 are now good, and 6 are poor... more crap to sift through before you find the great songs.

This is why I think fruity gets tagged as "gridlike" sounding; because novice producers use it as novice users should: oversimplified.

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the funny thing is how many people not into edm use it i know alot of people in underground hiphop not like ghetto shit but like white people and shit lol and they use it alot most the time without vstis and just with samples so yeah your right. however alot of the edm producers use it but most the time they get better after using it a while or they just stop so yeah. reason goes the same way tho just most of the people use it for trance and such and it gives it a genric sound that often isnt very good however this isnt allways true....

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there is definatly nothing wrong with fruity, there are plently of producers out there who use it to its full extent and make immense tracks with it. It still has a stigma of being shit but that is completely unfounded. Whereas imo with reason no matter how talented the producer using it is, they are still using all the same stuff as every1 else and more often than not it leads to "reasony" sounding tracks.

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