i think there will be alot of intervention to try to keep them from it but the ultimate goal is they will "think" they will be better off being a communist state so they will move foward with it and recieve international backlash

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Well, I don't see the majority of Russians living any better now than they were before. Infact, they're mostly living worse off than they did in the communist regime, aside for a few exceptions.

Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that the goverment over there has never fully embraced capitalism, liberty, and freedom. Just a guess, but like I said a few posts earlier--a state of limbo isn't really an improvement on whatever system was previously in place. On the contrary, the lack of clear direction could easily exacerbate any ills of society over there.

I get Russian TV channles on my sat, and lately there's been an alarming trend of censorship in the russian media on a lot of things. Of course, with the Ukrainian elections and the coverage of the protest there's this sense of danger and urgency conveyed. like FOX news or CNN. There's very little coverage of Yanushenko, but lots of stuff about how Yanukovich is Jesus returned and a lot of news reports and interviews from the regions that support Yanukovich.

Hell, my cousin lives in Moscow, and after watching the news she called home to my aunt and uncle, who live in Kiev, and warned them not to go to the Kiev Square because it was "really dangerous."

And the contrast is really evident after watching a US channel that broadcasts in russian, which covers the elections much more fairly.

More than that, there's been quite a few political programs forced off the air, censored.

The official explanation for the government's hold on the media is the war in Chechnya and terrorism, but it looks too much like what the US has been doing with Afganistan and Iraq and the media. I like it not.

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Originally posted by dj_bas wow awesome!! that's way bigger than mine

Like smiley said it was a world without the mafia running the place, no bombings more food, smaller gap between rich and poor. Russia used to be a very proud nation, their military was in many ways better than, and in some ways bigger than, the western (US and UK) military. Now it's a joke nearly. The space program was competative(still is actually). But now the place is a shambles. Not saying the people are right but they want a leader who harks back to the old days.

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What is wrong with you people, the USSR was never a communist state. When asked if the Russian Empire could ever be a communist state, Engels said: "no, because it's an agrarian nation". Hell there never was a true communist state in the world, all the countries that attemted it had made their own interpretation of it. Moreover, communism isn't evil like you people make it out to be, in theory its only the next stage of economic organization after capitalism fails to provide economically for all the people.

And what do you know about what the people want? Have you even been to russia in the first place?

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Originally posted by dj_bas wow awesome!! that's way bigger than mine

Cal--

Are you familiar with Central European Media? I'm curious how they've been covering the Ukranian elections. Supposedly they are essentially the antithesis of the government dominated/censored TV broadcast.

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Originally posted by Cal And what do you know about what the people want? Have you even been to russia in the first place?

Well do you disagree with these points:

1) Putin is a old style controlling leader.

2) The people elected him?

And to quto ahh you......

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Originally posted by Cal Gee so if I don't live in a country (anymore) my knowledge of its history is somehow LESS than that of a person who DOES live there? Go shag a sheep.

Why don't you go shag a sheep...

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No not familiar at all guy, regretfully, and also when I said foxnews and CNN earlier I meant as in their coverage of war on terror, iraq, etc, that might have been unclear.

Hah dervish at least I've lived there and keep in touch with what's going on there, so unless you've got a legion of russian penpals sending you mail and you religousely read/watch news about the country and its people I don't think you can say anything more valid about what the people are like than me.

Also, shag a sheep? I'm not scottish. I've got canadian citizenship and with that the possibilities for me are endless. some of the things you could have said instead:

go shag a beaver/moose/Mountie
go eat some bacon
go buy another lumberjack flannel shirt
go back to your dogsledding
go back to your igloo
go play some hockey
(add "eh?" to any of the above)

Use your imagination next time

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Originally posted by dj_bas wow awesome!! that's way bigger than mine

To try and get round your issue avoidance just answer the question. Do you agree with my 2 points?

And as for the other bs why don't you either use your imagination (your scottish.... go shag a sheep.... bravo it cuts soooooooo deep, supose if I was welsh it would be the same? And to be honest I can't really be arsed insulting you, your making an arse of yourself anyway.) or start using arguments rather than insults?

EDIT: BTW I actually used to have a russian pen friend when I was young (big shits I know but you brought it up), my dad still does have many friends there and had organised loads of tours (hence used to know it quite well) there before the fall of communism, and he doesn't think it would be safe to go back to the bits he was in before because of the level of crime. Also when exactly was the last time you were there for more than say a month?

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I think Russia is still damn dangerous and things in the world aren't happy to glad. There's still an evil force there and they're upgrading their nuclear arsenal so we can't f*ck with them.


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true, and if they go commy they will be even more unstable

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