Malek's solution sounds radical but im sure he's speaking in a figure of speach. I tell my girlfriend similar comments all the time. I think what he really means is ppl reality of world issues are so twisted and warped that is makes no sence. And their so pig headed about their views that the easiest way to fix it quote "the whole country needs to be leveled." Not really but Its kinda of hard to change a whole societies point of view. Would take years and years of re-education and even then who knows. Easier to blow it up and restart. Clearly a barbaric solution. but finding an alternitive is pretty damn perplexing

wow man, did u get to play Hitlers role or something?

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lol you're missing my point im saying ppl are violent and angry, and this is the cause of many world problem
and since ppl are so pig headed its impossible to change them

hence malek responce

plain and simple

if you read my post above, you would of notice that i said i don't understand why ppl are always so nuts and angry about the supposed zionist movement crap thing

hence me playing hitler makes no sence

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hence me playing hitler makes no sence

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Easier to blow it up and restart. Clearly a barbaric solution. but finding an alternitive is pretty damn perplexing

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Originally posted by Mike_B Malek's solution sounds radical but im sure he's speaking in a figure of speach. I tell my girlfriend similar comments all the time. I think what he really means is ppl reality of world issues are so twisted and warped that is makes no sence. And their so pig headed about their views that the easiest way to fix it quote "the whole country needs to be leveled." Not really but Its kinda of hard to change a whole societies point of view. Would take years and years of re-education and even then who knows.

DID YOU MISS THE HOLE OTHER PORTION OF THE TREAD
FIGURE OF SPEECH, look it up if you dont know what it means

if your read my first post. you'll notice how i mention that i don't understand why ppl hate jews so much. This must make me the splitting image of hitler.

my god do you blow thing out of proportion without reading properly

I didn’t want to offend you …

u were saying that " ppl are violent and angry, and this is the cause of many world problem and since ppl are so pig headed its impossible to change them ... " so lets bomb them?

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Last edited by vano on Dec-15-2004 at 21:22

relax people

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Originally posted by vano I didn’t want to offend you … u were saying that " ppl are violent and angry, and this is the cause of many world problem and since ppl are so pig headed its impossible to change them ... " so lets bomb them?

I was taking this from malek comment and then fast said he did agree flatining a country was the solution

all i said was i agree that its not a solution, and im sure malek does to. Just explaining that i understand why he would pass such a comment. Its a thing you just say but don't really mean. what i was saying was. Trying to think of an actual solution however is quite neer imposible when ppl are brought up to think a certain why. you canot change their minds over night. So i fail to see how this made me out to be some hitler country bombing maniac.

I was probably not clear enough.

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I was probably not clear enough.

probably

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First of all, let me start by saying that I agree with *most* of what was said in the article that Kate posted.

If we review the facts, then it's clear that the US, Britain and the rest of the coalition of the bribed are there *only* for their own selfish vested interests, in the form of geo-political hegemony, control of oil resources and the like. From a moral persepective, whether they install a democracy or not is completely besides the point in my opinion, since that form of governemnt happens to coincide *this time* with their true aspirations for starting this war, just like how at *other times*, installing and maintaining a dictator in that same country happened to coincide with those same aspirations. Viewed from that perspective, can anyone blame these people for resisting against what can rightfully be called an occupying force and an illegal war?

What I'm more curious to know is the following: Considering that most of the resistance is sunni-based, how much of the resistance (if at all) is based on the legitimate reasoning in the previous paragraph and how much of it (if at all) is based on this occupier threatening to change the status quo that used to be in their favour under Saddam?

As a side point, and in response to Mike_B, as much as I agree that there is much baseless propaganda in the Arab world regarding Jews, especially Jews-run-the-world-arguments, the opposition to zionism and the hatred in the Arab world for zionism is righteous (notice that I'm distinguishing between zionism and judaism or jews in general). Without going into details, although I'd be more than glad to if prompted, this is a movement, that, at its inception, desired to forcefully displace a local Arab population living for centuries on their homeland. Thus, a significant amount of problems in the Middle East over the last century are attributable to this aformentioned point. I don't blame you for not knowing the details of this conflict as they are many and the conflict is complicated, but I'm sure you would better understand why there is such opposition to the zionist movement if, without sounding too harsh, you would enlighten yourself a bit more regarding this subject matter.

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Trying to think of an actual solution however is quite neer imposible when ppl are brought up to think a certain why.

it is indeed difficult but there is always a solution (dropping bombs isn't one)

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Originally posted by Epicurus I don't blame you for not knowing the details of this conflict as they are many and the conflict is complicated, but I'm sure you would better understand why there is such opposition to the zionist movement if, without sounding too harsh, you would enlighten yourself a bit more regarding this subject matter.

Im not pretending that i know everything about the conflient between Isreal and the muslim nation, because i know i don't and quite frankly over here in canada just doesn't affect me that much. However recent events in the world and the fact that i sit near a group of Arabs at work that spent half their time talking about how jewish run the globe are and greedy and so on and so fort, has propted me to do a little research as to why their is so much hate.

one interesting article i came accross Altought i couldn't read it all because i found the guys point of views to be flat out racist, however made one good point. He mentioned that the muslin world is the only place in the entire world that has in fact managed to remove jewish ppl from their society. Everywhere you go in europe, the america's their are jewish ppl who live in our comunities. However the Arab world has managed to isolate them in less then 1 percent of Arab territory; Isreal. So therefore. You walk in Syria, Irak, Southie Arabia etc, and i would be really suprised if you ran into a Rabbi. Point being that by alianating them into Isreal to the point that no where else in that part of the globe will you find a jewish person isn't not enough for them???? What more do they want. Can they not just settle for this.

Now from what i uderstand of the conflict

From what i understand
after world warI the old Turkish Ottoman Empire, which was allied to germany, lost its territory to france and England. On the British portion of land, two palestine states where created, one jewsih Palestine for the Jewish comunity, the other Jordan for the arab community.

Because no other peoples had ever established a national homeland in "Palestine" since the Jews had done it 2,000 years before, the British "looked favorably" upon the creation of a Jewish National Homeland throughout ALL of Palestine. The Jews had already begun mass immigration into Palestine in the 1880's in an effort to rid the land of swamps and malaria and prepare for the rebirth of Israel. This Jewish effort to revitalize the land attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighboring areas who were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions. There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of what few Arabs where already there or those Arab masses that immigrated into this area along with the Jews!

In 1923, the British divided the "Palestine" portion of the Ottoman Empire into two administrative districts. Jews would be permitted only west of the Jordan river. In effect, the British had "chopped off" 75% of the originally proposed Jewish Palestinian homeland to form an Arab Palestinian nation called Trans-Jordan.

Later on the arab state was remaned Jordan and pretty much forgotten as being part of palestine.

around 1947 after many problems with palestanian jews and arab in-fighting in palestine(not Jordan)the british, gave the problem the to UN and basicly abandoned palestine all together.

The UN proposed resolution 181 to once again split up the Jewish palestine into portion of Arab nation and jewish nation in order to dessolve the conflicts. The Jewish Palestinians accepted the proposal... the Arab Palestinians rejected.

May 14, 1948 the "Palestinian" Jews declared their own State of Israel and became "Israelis". On the next day, seven neighboring Arab armies... Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen... invaded Israel.

And its still going on.
Make peace not war. Most ppl fighting now probably don't even know why or are just told to hate so they hate.