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Gholy Host
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Shutting down the hub sites would lower the use of bittorrent by quite a bit. The good thing about hub sites like suprnova is that (I think) the users are anonymous.

If you're using a register site, you could easily be screwed.

I think anyone surfing these boards has most likely pirated something at some point, so I won't claim that I'm a saint, but I've definitely cut my movie intake down to nothing over the last year, mostly because I knew this was coming. It's not tough either, because there are only so many movies worth seeing, and I go to the movies two or three times a month, so I figure I'm not missing much.

DC on the other hand is a minefield. People warn of hubs created by these agencies that take down your info once you join, and other random stuff. I'm not sure how much of it's feasible, but it's a frightening thought. Have to be careful if you're going to use it.


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In related news shareconnector has been shutdown as of Tuesday December 14 2004:

ShareConnector and Relases4U taken down
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ShareConnector and Relases4U taken down
Posted 14.12.2004 20:52:52 by Simon Moon in Legal
The dutch authorities have taken action against the owners and operators of ShareConnector.com and Releases4U.

The details below, in a translation from BadM:
(By Laurens Verhagen)
Investigation agency FIOD (FIOD-ECD, tax and economic crimes police) closes large edonkey sites

Tuesday, december 14th 2004 - After complaints from Brein, the FIOD has seized the server that run the edonkey sites Releases4u and Shareconnector.

Tuesday morning the fiscal investigation agency FIOD-ECD seized 4 servers in Rotterdam that hosted the 2 biggest edonkey sites in Holland, Brein has declared. In 9 places a total of 8 people were arrested and 11 computers were seized.

Releases4U and ShareConnector offered links to illegal files that were checked for content and quality, especially the latest movies, games, music and other content. Brein had been talking with the people behind these sites for a while now, but these talks yielded no results. "Our patience was up, after which we went to the authorities", says Tim Kuik, director of Brein. According to him this is the first in a series of moves against "services that play an essential role in the exchange of illegal files".

These files aren't offered from the abovementioned sites itselfm but are hosted on the computers of the users of p2p service edonkey. "Illegal files in good quality are often hard to find", says Brein.

"Not Illegal"

The 8 persons were arrested for suspicion of committing copyright infringement and accessory to that crime.
SC and R4U offered about 10.000 links to illegal files for about 50.000 registered users, and a multitude of that of consumers. The people behind the sites told Webwereld a while ago that there is nothing illegal about so called ed2k links.

The hostingprovider of the 2 sites, Mindlab, earlier refused to take down the 2 sites. "As long as offering these links is not a crime, we will let them run their sites", Zefanja Nafzger declared to Webwereld earlier.

Millions in damages

The damage of this kind of illegal practice can reach significant amounts, Kuik says. He points out that the owner of the site Film88.com recently was convicted to paying $23,8 million in damages. Brein will hold not only SC and R4U responsible for the damages, but also Mindlab, the provider. Kuik estimates the damages sought to be "several millions (of Euros)".

Besides that the OM (prosucutor's office) is likely to start a criminal procedure against the site owners. The maximum penalty is 4 years in prison, according to Kuik.
Kuik says that services like SC and R4U hide behind "false reasoning that illegal files are actually hosted on different servers and that the actual exchange doesn't take place on their own servers". "However, it is clear they are the ones responsible for the illegal spreading of these files", Brein concludes.

Here the original in dutch:
Opsporingsdienst FIOD sluit grote eDonkey-sites

Dinsdag, 14 december 2004 - Na actie van Brein heeft de FIOD servers in beslag genomen waarop de eDonkey-sites Shareconnector en Releases4u draaiden.
Door Laurens Verhagen

De fiscale opsporingsdienst FIOD-ECD heeft dinsdagmorgen in Rotterdam vier servers in beslag genomen waar de twee grootste Nederlandse eDonkey-sites op draaiden, zo heeft Brein bekendgemaakt. Er werden op negen plaatsen in totaal acht aanhoudingen verricht en elf computers in beslag genomen.

Releases4u en Shareconnector boden links aan naar illegale bestanden die op inhoud en kwaliteit gecontroleerd zijn. Het gaat daarbij vooral om bestanden van de nieuwste films, videospellen, muziek en andere content. Brein was al langer in gesprek met de mensen achter deze sites, maar deze gesprekken liepen op niets uit. "De maat was voor ons vol, waarna we naar Justitie zijn gestapt", zo zegt Tim Kuik, directeur van Brein. Dit is volgens hem de eerste in een serie acties tegen 'dienstverleners die een essentiële rol spelen in het uitwisselen van illegale bestanden'.

Deze bestanden zelf worden niet via de bewuste sites aangeboden, maar staan op computers van gebruikers van de p2p-uitwisseldienst eDonkey. "Illegale bestanden van een goede kwaliteit zijn vaak moeilijk te vinden", aldus Brein in een verklaring. Portalsites als Releases4u voorzagen in deze behoefte, zo stelt Brein.

'Niet illegaal'

De acht personen zijn aangehouden op verdenking van het plegen van auteursrechtinbreuk en medeplichtigheid daaraan. Shareconnector en Releases4U boden ongeveer 10.000 links naar illegale bestanden voor bijna 50.000 geregistreerde deelnemers en een veelvoud daarvan aan consumenten. de initiatiefnemers verklaarden eerder tegenover WebWereld dat er niets illegaals is aan de zogenoemde ed2k-links.

De hostingprovider van de twee sites - Mindlab - weigerde eerder de sites uit de lucht te halen. "Zolang het aanbieden van deze links niet strafbaar is, laten we ze draaien", verklaarde Zefanja Nafzger van Mindlab eerder tegenover WebWereld.

Miljoenenschade

De schade van dit soort illegaal aanbod kan volgens Kuik behoorlijk oplopen. Hij wijst erop dat de eigenaar van de site Film88.com onlangs nog werd veroordeeld tot betaling van 23,8 miljoen dollar schadevergoeding. Brein zal naast Shareconnector en Releases4U ook de provider Mindlab medeaansprakelijk houden voor de schade. Kuik schat de schade op 'enkele miljoenen'.

Daarnaast is het aan het OM om een strafrechtelijke procedure te starten. De maximale straf is vier jaar, aldus Kuik. Dienstverleners als Shareconnector en Releases4U verschuilen zich volgens Kuik achter 'drogredenen dat de illegale bestanden zelf op andere servers staan en dat de feitelijke uitwisseling niet via de eigen servers plaats vindt'. "Het is echter duidelijk dat zij verantwoordelijkheid dragen voor de illegale verspreiding", zo besluit Brein.


NOTE TO ANYONE WHO CLAIMS (aka MPAA, RIAA, etc) THAT ED2K LINKS ARE FILES:
ED2K links are just links. Like http and ftp that precedes a web url address, it lets the ed2k network know that you are looking for a certain file on the network and not on the webpage. It is normal text and cannot therefore take any space on a webserver since it is a link.
An e2dk link is a combination link and hashset similar to md5 in nature.


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zig
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Ouch several millions in fines..4 years in prision ..i wonder if any of the 50,000 subscribers should be worried as well..but referring back to the origional post about how organised the industry is..ive noticed on irish and british tv several lawyers popping up on different tv programmes in recent weeks discussing this..seems like the battle has begun

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Lebezniatnikov
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I used to work in a movie theater, and honestly, I still think there's something special about seeing a movie for the first time on the big screen. Sure there are bad movies out there, but in the off chance its a movie you like, I think its worth the risk to shell out the dough to experience it like it was meant to be experienced.

Though I agree, loud/annoying/crying people in the audience suck, and should probably be given a swift kick to the balls (if applicable).


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quote:
Originally posted by josh4
...Take a site like that offline and you've made a rather large dent...


http://suprnova.org/

It seems you can predict the future?


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Don't download movies. You can rent them for cheaply enough.


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