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Originally posted by Jonny Thrice check out the ECLER NUO-5

there's johnny! the ecler salesman!! just break'n your chops!

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Originally posted by Jonny Thrice check out the ECLER NUO-5

I was wondering when you'd show up, oh well better late than never.

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You CAN'T hear Eq changes while cueing a song, which is ridiculous, and what annoyed me most was how bad the sound quality was while monitoring through headphones. It was very difficult to distinguish and hear beats while beatmatching.

You are joking! I thought this kind of stuff would have been standard on a mixer like this - was on my numark DM3002x and i've just sold that!

Did it not win an award for best club installation mixer??? and HTFR says its one of the best thought out and designed mixer???

Cheers for the comments though zizack, very helpful

Still no nearer to a desicion though... Gonna have to try them each out, got onto Allen & Heath and theyre putting me intouch with someone that has one to try out

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and HTFR says its one of the best thought out and designed mixer???

HTFR say that about every mixer. exchange 'mixer' with 'decks' or 'monitors' and they say the same thing. quote: 'you cant go wrong with the gemini name'

oh yes you fucking can.

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Originally posted by ste_johnstone You are joking! I thought this kind of stuff would have been standard on a mixer like this - was on my numark DM3002x and i've just sold that! Did it not win an award for best club installation mixer??? and HTFR says its one of the best thought out and designed mixer??? Cheers for the comments though zizack, very helpful Still no nearer to a desicion though... Gonna have to try them each out, got onto Allen & Heath and theyre putting me intouch with someone that has one to try out

Don't be totally put off by this comment.
Yes it's true that you can't eq in the headphones on the cue channel but to say that the sound quality on the cue is questionable. It's as good as any that I have ever heard.

Can't eq in the phones... why would you need to? You hear it when you are on the master and that's when it matters.

I'll be honest though... while I have a Xone 464 at home the majority of mixers I use are Pioneers. And the odd vestax and sometimes some complete piles of crap that shouldn't be there (KAM for example).

Let's be real for a second, they are both really good mixers which you have to pay a lot of money for.
People seem to have ridiculous loyalties to brands that they like for their own reasons that are not always realistic in comparison to what you hear in the clubs.

I think you get the most mixer for your money with the DJM 600.

In my opinion the Rane Empath has got nothing special over the others and whilst it's a good stable mixer, it isn't going to set the world on fire either. Difficult to get hold of in the UK too.

I think the Xone 62 is waaaay over priced, you could easily knock a 100 quid off it and make it more desirable.
The EQ is supperior as far as I see it with 4 bands instead of 3.
People also speak of reliability but with A&H but they are prone to problems just like any other mixers as I have found out with my A&H.
I have found that loads of lights have gone and the power supply has blown up once. Not as reliable as it may seem. I have actually had less problems with my Vestax mixers i.e. none.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Let's be real for a second, they are both really good mixers which you have to pay a lot of money for. People seem to have ridiculous loyalties to brands that they like for their own reasons that are not always realistic in comparison to what you hear in the clubs.

they are both goood mixer, but I'm by no means loyal to Pioneer...i sold it after 3 months and currently have a Xone: 92 which I will say is the best mixer I have ever played with hands down....better than the Rane and IMO and for my uses, better than the V6. I'm not speaking about the Xone: 62 out of loyalty for Pioneer at all. But I am trying to dispell people's ridiculous bandwagoning love, and also dislike for certain mixers that they've never even used.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Can't eq in the phones... why would you need to? You hear it when you are on the master and that's when it matters.

well, I think a lot of people would disagree with you about this. I think its essential. I want to know exactly how a song sounds while cueing and bringing it in...total control. I don't want to be in the dark for a second about what my cued song is goign to sound like live. Almost everyone is used to this and it just doesn't make sense to make a mixer without this function. It was a huge complaint by a LOT of peopel about that mixer, and thats one of the things that A&H wanted to fix when they came out with the Xone: 92.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Can't eq in the phones... why would you need to? You hear it when you are on the master and that's when it matters.

I totally disagree. it matters in the headphones too, that's how you get them set right. if the song is too bass heavy, you roll off the bass, too tinny, roll off the treble, not chunky enough, turn up the midrange. how can you tell if you've got it right if you can't check in the headphones?

Also, when i mix i prefer to get the gain set properly, so that it's just hitting 0db with the EQs at 12oclock. then, i usually crank up the mid and high while beatmatching, to make it easier to hear the hats over the outgoing track in the cans. (since my mixer does not have a slider or knob to adjust the amount of cue/master)

without being able to hear EQ changes in the headphones, you can't do any of that, so I would never buy a mixer without it, high end or not.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 In my opinion the Rane Empath has got nothing special over the others and whilst it's a good stable mixer, it isn't going to set the world on fire either. Difficult to get hold of in the UK too. Nem

I like my DJM-600, but once I got to play on the Empath a couple of times I was hooked. It's like a drug! The faders and the knobs are so silky smooth and a pleasure to play with, it made me want to sell my DJM right away.

Well, I dont reckon i could stretch the budget to £900 for a xone 92, so its looking in favour of the DJM600 - finally are the filters on the A&Hs really that good and can you achieve similar effects on the DJM???

Cheers for the help by the way guys!

the xone is a bit shit. the only reason youd need it over the 600 is for the better sound quality AT CLUB LEVEL. otherwise theres no need: the volume faders are shit, the knobs are terrible and the mixer is laid out like a retard designed it.

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Originally posted by ste_johnstone Well, I dont reckon i could stretch the budget to £900 for a xone 92, so its looking in favour of the DJM600 - finally are the filters on the A&Hs really that good and can you achieve similar effects on the DJM??? Cheers for the help by the way guys!

answer: no way


but the filters are quite good, but at the end of the day you get three diff filters to play with and the aint nowt special, not liek having an fx unit anyway.

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