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George Smiley
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Originally posted by Sevas Stra
Gee it's funny how little you know. Did you read anything after the soul part? If you don't believe in souls then you believe in physical and not the metaphysical therefore, you blieve in the inherent human trait. That is, improvement and progression. If you clone something it does not posses memories or anything else from the original subject's prior years, hence therefore; the clone will be nothing like the original because it wouldn't go through the same struggles, hardships, and just plain events like the original and will not progress to become the same person but rather a plain genetical copy...much like a twin...nothing more.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!

What the hell do you think a clone is?!

(A cloned human would be created by a cell from a human, it would be biologically identical, BIOLOGICALLY, it would start off life as all humans...as two cells which turn into a baby, and from there it grows up however it grows up)

Old Post Dec-26-2004 23:37  England
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Reverend_Trance
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Originally posted by Dj Tomer
Personally I think there's nothing wrong with cloning endangered species (First time i've heard of that), since their extinction is our fault, might as well try and fix it ourselves.


The problem is working with a limited gene pool. Less diversity in a gene pool leads to a greater chance of mutations or defects. It would be cool, but there are more risks involved.

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St_Andrew
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Originally posted by Sevas Stra
the clone will be nothing like the original


wtf? so a clone would be nothing like its original? just like a twin would be nothing like its twin sister/brother? the genes would be exactly the same, experiences do change things, but the genes also play a very important role and the clone would be very much like its original, although not exactly the same.

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Sevas Stra
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quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!

What the hell do you think a clone is?!

(A cloned human would be created by a cell from a human, it would be biologically identical, BIOLOGICALLY, it would start off life as all humans...as two cells which turn into a baby, and from there it grows up however it grows up)


and what do you think a soul of person is? LMAO IT HAS NOTHING
NOTHING NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION in terms of feelings and motives and understanding of society. Bioligcly is one thing the clone wouldn't anything like the original by the way he acts and shit. Genes mean nothing if you clone your girlfriend or wife and wait X ammount of years till she becomes you girl's age she will be alike in a very few ways.


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josh4
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I can understand why someone would want to have their pet cloned after its dead but I don't think it makes much sense to. Its not going to be a carbon copy of the pet, the only thing that would be the same is the genetic-makeup. It won't even look exactly the same because the fur coloration will be different. So why go to all that trouble when you can just get another freakin cat?

In other debate, do animals have emotions?

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quote:
Originally posted by Sevas Stra
and what do you think a soul of person is? LMAO IT HAS NOTHING
NOTHING NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION in terms of feelings and motives and understanding of society. Bioligcly is one thing the clone wouldn't anything like the original by the way he acts and shit. Genes mean nothing if you clone your girlfriend or wife and wait X ammount of years till she becomes you girl's age she will be alike in a very few ways.


Thats what he said. . .

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George Smiley
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quote:
Originally posted by Sevas Stra
and what do you think a soul of person is? LMAO IT HAS NOTHING
NOTHING NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION in terms of feelings and motives and understanding of society. Bioligcly is one thing the clone wouldn't anything like the original by the way he acts and shit. Genes mean nothing if you clone your girlfriend or wife and wait X ammount of years till she becomes you girl's age she will be alike in a very few ways.

Who exactly, is claiming a clone will be mentally identical to the original?!

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regardless of that, this lady should be shot for cloning her cat for 50k, if she was my grandma id give her some words for takin 50k away from my inheritance so she could clone her fn cat... she thinks like she drives.. old and stupid

ITS A CAT BUY A NEW ONE FOR FREE


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Sevas Stra
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If a person isn't mentally the same as the original why would you clone him/her, imbecile?! YOU WILL NOT GET THE SAME PERSON BACK. NOT talking about animals. And for 50 thousand I can buy a fucking lion not some retarded cat.


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George Smiley
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If a person isn't mentally the same as the original why would you clone him/her, imbecile?! YOU WILL NOT GET THE SAME PERSON BACK. NOT talking about animals. And for 50 thousand I can buy a fucking lion not some retarded cat.

Why would you clone somebody (something) if it weren't mentally identical? Well, for a start, so we can smoke as many fags as we want and have two perfectly compatable lungs ready to be donated to us when we are diagnosed with lung cancer...

There are hundreds of reasons why we may want to clone people, and none of them are probably for the reasons you think (to make somebody mentally identical which anyone can work out is impossible anyway) So, why dont you do a search on the internet and look at why people want to clone people, you may even be able to find a really short article that explains it very slowly if your lucky!

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zig
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Google a clone..give it ten years..whip your credit card out..send off your dna..dont know how they will deliver though..probably fed ex

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josh4
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quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
Why would you clone somebody (something) if it weren't mentally identical? Well, for a start, so we can smoke as many fags as we want and have two perfectly compatable lungs ready to be donated to us when we are diagnosed with lung cancer...

There are hundreds of reasons why we may want to clone people, and none of them are probably for the reasons you think (to make somebody mentally identical which anyone can work out is impossible anyway) So, why dont you do a search on the internet and look at why people want to clone people, you may even be able to find a really short article that explains it very slowly if your lucky!


theres a difference between cloning parts of people and cloning a whole person

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