I know exactly what you mean about Saddam FASTDJMP3, Americans and the Brits have had many chances to kill Saddam Hussian, British SAS are by far the best Special forces unit in the world, its is rumoured that they one time actually had a chance to kill Saddam a little while back, an assasination plot basicially ,and them dudes don't miss, but they assasinated a total different dude its rumoured like one of his generals, and he escaped just a rumour though but its probably true. The embargo on Iraqs bad, they need to punish Saddam not innocent people.

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yo TranceGiant wasup..
readin all the above, me thinks that the reason fastDJmp3 mentioned that all media-economy-woteva-woteva in USA is owned by jews... is (no i aint readin brains ere but i guess ) perhaps tryin to justify a reason why USA is supporting Isreal accordin to him. i don't see wher jealousy came into it.

So.. errrm.. keep it cool lads.
Religion-conflicts is bollox.
People should learn to mix with others regardless of wot bloody religion or faith they belong to.
I have friends who are Christians (catholics, orthodox), Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Singhs, as well as those who associate themselves with no relgion watsoeva (they don't believe in a god)

but even with that, i get along with them perfectly. we are always avin a laff and neva argued about wot each one believes in his religion or stuff like that.

well actually we had discussions a couple of times about each others religions.. which is quite interesting to see wot different religions believe.

keep it cool lads.. i am sittin on me arse while the lads are prolly on their way to the NEC gatecrasher rite now.
ARSE

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errm, O'Callaghan u shud be goin too init?..

Damn, not again.
Now that u started telling us about History of the Mid- East Conflict i feel obliged to write it all down once again.
You know what i can't stand? The hypocritical "the jews should have a country, BUT they musnt take away arab land".
Now let's see whose land it was...
more than 100 years ago when Zionism was born, The Turkish owned Palestina and the whole Mid- East. Then after WW1 the British ruled the area. Never before have the arabs owned/ruled Palestina! The jews, however, did.
Polticially Palestina was never an arab country. However, there was an arab majority in Palestina at the time Jews emigrated (mostly Russian who were..per..DAMn was' da word ..lets say: driven away)
The Jewish minority however had been living there for thousands of years, loonger than islam exists at all.
Now whose land was it really? Or: why didnt any1 complain when the British seperated Palestina and created what is today Jordan? They bulit Syria, too as well as Lebanon Iraq etc...NO ONE gave a f++++ but when the smallest piece of land was given to a people NOT muslim, they all got mad.
And it wasnt even the whole country! 1947: Partition plan to build TWO states, and the jews were those who agreed while the arabs prepared to "drive the jews into the sea".
I dont see where "arab land was taken away".

As i sayed, the jewish lobby doesnt have more to say than the arab one. And dont forget one thing: The strongest lobby in the US is this one: $$$$$$-meaning-Oil-meaning-arab oil.
Maybe he aint jealous but ill still say that i dont find it nice to kinda complain how much the jews own.
and dont tell me that jealousy ist just an irrelevant annoying topic. It's the root of antisemitism. Just look at the situation in the medieval time...Jews were the ones allowed to deal with the bank-business..rates etc. while the Christians werent(by the curch). That made the Jews "Liars and Thieves"..
Im not sayin fastdjmp3 is antisemitic, but hes using strongly ant-s. arguments, so im tellin him to be more careful..

and yes, u are attacking Israel in every thread dealing with politics. Taht doesnt make u an israeli-hater but id advice you to look at both sides.
I do know that jerusalem is holy for muslims too, thats no prob. for me. Im for a pal. state, but not now, sine theres no1 caring for isr. security on the pal. side.

As for Saddam/Osama/USA..i could write tons of pro and contra arguments but im sik of that subject kinda..
oh well

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yeah I know that too. Its a very difficult situation. The problem is, that israel was not founded the natural way. Some guys from europe/america just said: now thats israel and its good. I know that both sides make bullshit, but I just tried to explain the situation out of an arab point of view (which you have to understand, otherwise problems cant be solved).

^^^^agreed.

*handshake*

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Originally posted by TranceGiant I do know that jerusalem is holy for muslims too, thats no prob. for me. Im for a pal. state, but not now, sine theres no1 caring for isr. security on the pal. side.

wow you're for a Palestinian state , but not for now , they can still suffer right ? now aren't u anti-arab ? jeez that's incredible ...

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No PVT I'm not going to the NEC I could of gone actually to think about it lol, but I was too lazy

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Originally posted by FASTDJMP3 wow you're for a Palestinian state , but not for now , they can still suffer right ? now aren't u anti-arab ? jeez that's incredible ...

i dont get that statement.
say all the people in the province of quebec started an uprising saying how they would want to be a country of their own... they are different people... that land is there's... yadda yadda. now say they add terrorism into the mix (you cant deny there are factions in palestine that support terrorisim), there is no reason why canada should even enter negotiations under violence. who's to say it wont happen in the future. if canada was serious about creating quebec as country (as the isrealis are with palestine) they would want to deal face to face with the leaders of "quebec" and make sure both sides knew they were dealing with and making sure all the violence would seize. now yasser arafat has not proven to us that he can control his own people and stop terrorism, how can you make a deal with someone to create a country for them to run when there's no gaurantee they'll even have control. i hope you see my point

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^^^^ thats it.
im sick of discussing it
double jeez and good bye

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on the other hands you have to ask you, if you are suffering from terrorism (and it occurs on both sides!) for a very linge time, if it isnt perhaps the better solution to give palastina its own state and end the "inner-terrorism" a bit. I mean, its quite obvious that there will be no peacefully solution beside give palastina its own state. ther will be perhaps attacks on israel as well. but its much more easier (especially for the civilizians) to live in a conflict with another country and not with its own people.

oh cweb...if it only was that simple...
believe me that more than 70% of the israelis (including me) wanna get rid of those, escuse me, shitty fucked up territories.
but not if their own security is risked and nowadays that is the case.
id also love to just get the hell ouuta westbank and gaza and build a big wall..but that wont solve the probs.

nice discussing with u tho, well surely nicer than with *cough* f..astd..jm..p *cough* 3..whos kinda too polemic

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