to give you an answer to your question (since these A.D.D.s can't seem to concentrate long enough to comprehend it)

If I had $50,000 to blow, I would certainly spend maybe $10,000 of it on a Virus TI, Nord Lead 3, a JP, and a nice DAW with some nice monitors.. but if you're going to spend ALL of the money you have on this, don't. Producing trance isn't THAT important..

Unless you have $50k to blow, just buy your favorite synth and make the best music you can with it. Sure you won't be able to make every electronic sound under the sun. But unless you produce 24/7, you wouldn't be able to truly utalize all those synths anyway..

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ya know, i bought a virus b thinking it would make a big difference to my productions. it really doesnt. in mechanical terms its well built and the filter action is the smoothest thing ive ever heard. but it wasnt the big leap and bound i expected it to be. and i still find myself using vanguard more because im much more familiar with it and i can make better sounding patches on vanguard cuz it doesnt have a retarded multi mode for creating multi timbral patches. maybe that will change when i learn more about the virus. i still found myself wanting other hardware synths and for a bit i did think i should have got a lead2x instead. but id just be fooling myself into thinking it would make a difference. it wont. now i find myself having to justify why theres a 400 quid peice of kit sitting on my desk that i barely use.

this is partly to do with the MIDI syncing problems i get with my delta 1010 which to this date has not been resolved.

yeah it was merely a hypthetical queistion....... yeah learning synth programming can be time consuming... mostly i just think its funny about how so many people here cant even get the point of a question and just dont get the fact that hardware only makes a differnce if you are dedicated enough to spend your time to learn it... imo the only synths id probly purchase would be a supernova 2, nord lead 2, virus ti and probly 2 powercore cards and a dual amd 64bit system.... theres a few other things id love to purchase but i really dont see a reason too and they arent on the top of my lists of things.

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what midi syncing problems are you having out of curiosty....

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Originally posted by TVG Wow that's nice of you to assume everybody on here spends all their money on drugs.

drugs is good

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Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ or because youd rather just save your money to buy some more drugs or whatever the fuck youd spend it on...............

you mean like your mother???
hehehehe.. ok... maybe not a good thing to say.. me and my friends have said it to each other for god now how long now... it was just the first thing i thought of...

but if i got the hole thing right... no, i wouldn't buy that many synth's just becaus i can if i had the money... maybe 1 becaus it's fun to play around with.. but nhaaa... i'm buying clothe's and party up my money instead.. much more fun

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Originally posted by Derivative ya know, i bought a virus b thinking it would make a big difference to my productions. it really doesnt.

This I did not experience. My first hardware synth was a Virus Rack Classic and since owning it, I refuse to go completly software again (for producing trance - for just about every other electronic genre, I almost certainly WOULD go completly software)

But I don't think this is a discussion about buying hardware or not.. it's a discussion about buying an ass-load of hardware or not

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what midi syncing problems are you having out of curiosty....

search for 'wandering kid' on soundclick. theres 2 files. midi synced and virus sync. (i will provide the link later but soundclick is fooking up right now)

one is all software. the other is my virus b sounding extremely fucked up. when its played with the bass and drums it just gives me a headache. monitoring this is impossible. it plays like this during high cpu loads. the higher it is, the worse it gets. the more timbral parts you play simultaneously, the more fucked it sounds. for some reason, even when i bounce this down it still fucks up although not as badly. but still enough to make layering with other synths impossible. i have isolated this to either the delta 1010 and/or fl studio 5.0 though.

devil i agree about learning this stuff. tbh it doesnt matter which of those hardware synths you were to buy - supernova, nord, virus. the important part is you stick with your choice and keeping pushing the boundaries with the tool you just bought. slugging through it all again can be a pain but great sounds have come out of all of them. so it stands to reason anyone can make sounds that are just as good given time, patience and perserverance.

alanzo, absolutely - whatever you feel comfortable with using. although i will say that the virus is an order of magnitude more complicated than vanguard. my current hardware probs have left me a bit disillusioned though and i only truly appreciated the convenience and the ease of use of software when i started moving into a hardware environment. no cables fucking up. no MIDI issues. no timbral limit. no poly limit (well your CPU will limit the last 2. heheh).

it really just comes down to how natural it feels to work with these instruments. you can have a dreamlist of hardware synths and you will still write shit songs with shit sounding instruments if you dont know how to program them, dont know how to coax the good stuff out of them.

as for people who convince themselves they own the best synth out of the bunch...well...worksman. tools. its probably a better idea to focus on improving your craft - your ability to work with the tools you got. certainly the tools wont disguise the badly written, badly produced songs of a poor craftsman.

if i had 10 grand? i would maybe get the virus ti. sell the virus b and put the rest of the cash into an ISA account. that would pay my rent every month giving me more time to learn the virus and absolutely get the most out of it. if i went out and bought all the toys i wanted, i would seriously have more toys than i would know what to do with. not good.

i agree totally derivtive.. thats exactly the answer i wanted to make a point out of this thread. because so many people think having enormous amounts of hardware will make a good track and i wanted to let everyone know it doesnt matter hardware will only sound as good as the programmer... people compare softsynths to hardware which in all means softsynths can do more then most hardware can because of the idiot that sits infront of the hardware... everyone says well it can do it better. this is true but can you make it sound better as a programmer, in most cases no you cant. which is why i find it funny when people say hardware ownz softsynths becuase i can almost gurrentee you that a softsynth programmer thats been using softsynths for sevral years could program them better then someone who just bought a hardware synth.... and you kinda just prooved my point. me personally it doesnt matter what i use becuase my main issue is getting my percussion to sound like theres varient to it and mastering are my problems.... i love hardware by all means but i think its kinda a fanboy thing when it comes to hardware.... the masses say it is so good so everyone must have it. the only reason i want a nord lead is becuase i cam across a soundfont of it and good god ive never heard something sound so rich..... i can layer the soundfont all over every softsynth and make an enormously fat and rich sound... ohh and btw your the first person ive ever heard talking about isa.... just out of curisoty who would you go with. i currently have 2 isa accounts with ingdirect. and i tell ya it sure as hell pays off. but yeah i enjoy hardware ever since i was 13 and first went into guitar center fucken blown and stood there for hours playing with every fucking synth they had..... yeah so i didnt have the money to buy one but i learned quite a bit just from doing that almost every week. i enjoy hardware and someday ill have the luxiory(sp) of owning all the toys i want. but till then i personally dont see a reason to buy any hardware. i have a radium 61 and thats all i really need. but yeah im glad after 2 pages of bullshit finalyl some people are getting the drift of why i started this thread.

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heheh. yea. if anyone had 10 grand, the sensible thing to do would be to stick most of into an ISA. live off the high interest! rather than buy 10 very expensive toys which i guarantee will disappoint unless you are a very accomplished engineer/producer already. you will seriously have so much shit you wont know where you are fucking up. and thats not good. im struggling to get my head round 1 new toy. think about having 10 times the amount of knowledge to squeeze into my tiny flaccid brain. it would burst. even with the virus, my fav synth is still vanguard.

That was extremely hard to read so I fixed it up a bit. A little punctuation can go a long way.

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Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ I agree totally derivtive. Thats exactly the answer i wanted to make a point out of this thread because so many people think having enormous amounts of hardware will make a good track and i wanted to let everyone know it doesnt matter hardware will only sound as good as the programmer. People compare softsynths to hardware which in all means softsynths can do more then most hardware can because of the idiot that sits infront of the hardware; everyone says well it can do it better. This true but can you make it sound better as a programmer, in most cases no you cant which is why i find it funny when people say hardware ownz softsynths becuase i can almost gurrentee you that a softsynth programmer thats been using softsynths for sevral years could program them better then someone who just bought a hardware synth. And you kinda just prooved my point. me personally it doesnt matter what i use becuase my main issue is getting my percussion to sound like theres varient to it and mastering are my problems. I love hardware by all means but i think its kinda a fanboy thing when it comes to hardware. The masses say it is so good so everyone must have it. The only reason i want a nord lead is becuase i cam across a soundfont of it and good god ive never heard something sound so rich. I can layer the soundfont all over every softsynth and make an enormously fat and rich sound. Ohh and btw your the first person ive ever heard talking about isa. Just out of curisoty who would you go with. I currently have 2 isa accounts with ingdirect and i tell ya it sure as hell pays off. But yeah, i enjoy hardware ever since i was 13 and first went into guitar center fucken blown and stood there for hours playing with every fucking synth they had. Yeah, so i didnt have the money to buy one but i learned quite a bit just from doing that almost every week. i enjoy hardware and someday ill have the luxiory(sp) of owning all the toys i want but till then i personally dont see a reason to buy any hardware. I have a radium 61 and thats all i really need. but yeah im glad after 2 pages of bullshit finalyl some people are getting the drift of why i started this thread.

Honestly, I think the best way to go is with a hybrid hardware/software system like the virus powercore for example. It has the power of hardware but the ease of use and simplicity of software which I hope someday is the direction more synth makers decide to lean towards.