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| quote: | Originally posted by jonSun
Just got rid of my 2000 R6. Maybe next year a cruiser. |
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?!?!
For both parts of your post. Cruisers are deadly!
Child: i was thinking about getting a cruiser instead of a sport bike
Child: not quite a harley type deal
Child: but something like a cruiser/chopper
Child: layback chill style
W Massa Funk: Wouldnt be bad at all, lots of em out there
Child: ya
Child: figure it'll be comfy
Child: and not so costly right outta the get go
Child: i dunno if this sounds stupid or not, but i figure with a bike like that, i probably wont' spend as much money on leathers and shit
Child: like, i don't htink i'd want a full armored suit and full face helmet on a cruiser type deal
W Massa Funk: I would, theyre deadlier than sport bikes. Nobody does it though, if thats what you mean
Child: ya
Child: its a mentality i think
Child: who says' they're deadlier?
Child: i see more stupid things done on streetbikes than on cruisers
Child: most dumb kids ride sport bikes and shit
Child: go faster and whatnot
W Massa Funk: doesnt mean the bikes safer
W Massa Funk: it means people are stupid , which is something ive preached all my life
Child: well yes
Child: but people being stupid usually plays into generalizations and stuff about a certain thing being safer/deadlier than another
Child: seems like with all the power and whatnot a sportbike has, it'd be much more dangerous
W Massa Funk: cruisers typically have more low end torque than sport bikes. The fastest bike int he world is a cruiser. When it comes to stopping and cornering is when sportbikes tend to dominate.
W Massa Funk: harleys are 1200cc+ mind you, sport bikes sitting aroun 600 usually
Child: there's plenty of big sport bikes though
Child: 900-1200
W Massa Funk: sweet
Child: 600 is what most people buy when getting into the sport
W Massa Funk: i dont care, cruisers are dangerous
Child: but why?
Child: sportbikes are dangerous
W Massa Funk: for the same fucking reasons as ANY BIKE
Child: what makes a cruiser more dangerous?
W Massa Funk: PLUS THE FACT PEOPLE DONT WEAR PROTECTION AND THEY CANT HANDLE
Child: wtf is wrong with you tonight!?
W Massa Funk: ive had this conversation with you a million times and you always argue with it when youve never been on a bike
Child: never being on a bike doesn't mean i can't read and understand things, and we've never had a convo about cruisers, mainly about sportbikes,
W Massa Funk: its mainly that you always argue me on anything i say
Child: well, thats true, but its mainly cause i'm an argumentative fuck
Child: and i usually argue to understand the other persons reasoning not to hear them tell me i'm wrong for this reason
W Massa Funk: I know, its just that whole "I think that +++ is bad. Well --- is worse!" argument. It frustrates me to no end, because it in no way invalidates the previous point, it just sidetracks constructive conversation
Child: well, i didn't mean to sidetrack into whatever, i just wanted to hear WHY you thought the cruisers were more dangerous? just the fact that they don't wear as much safety gear? or cause of design limitations? or rider error?
Child: wasn't trying to argue in circles
W Massa Funk: Child: who says' they're deadlier?
Child: i see more stupid things done on streetbikes than on cruisers
W Massa Funk: ')
Child: i know
Child: i was getting defensive at that point
Child: cause i didn't here you coming up with reasons
Child: just saying its so
Child: and i hate it when people try to pass off their word like its gods
W Massa Funk: imagine driving a cube thats hovering 2 inches off the ground at 100 mph and trying to dodge something is all im saying
W Massa Funk: it comes down to shere handling
W Massa Funk: the human side is that people are stupid and do stupid things and dress poorly
Child: true, handling is much worse
Child: but as far as rider caused danger goes, i think riders of sportbikes spend more time "pushing the limit" than someone who's cruisin around on a chopper or something
Child: at least thats what i see
Child: would that not be a fair generalization?
W Massa Funk: It would be fair to say people push the limits of whatever they are on, its just that the limit ranges are so extremely different that its the difference between a rear tire sliding across the street and you laying down sideways on a road with a bike on top of you
Child: well if it were me, i think if i had a sport bike, i'd likely push that certain bikes limits more, going faster, cornering harder....but if i were to be on a cruiser, i'd sit back and enjoy the ride, cause i know it doesn't have anything to push, it is what it is, a cruiser...like just the mentality you have when on a different' machine
Child: like if i was driving a buick century, i'd just chill
Child: whereas if i was in a porsche, i'd drive like a maniac
W Massa Funk: that was my point, flooring it in a century would do nothing, even if you punched it , the repurcussions for such an act would be minimal at most. However, flooring it in a porsche would have immediate impact. Youd actually floor the century MORE because youd want to actually be able to get somewhere. Youd only rock the porsche to ITS limits at certain times.
W Massa Funk: the confines in which one can move define the extremity of its borders, and thus the extremity of the actions within those borders
Child: well lets say going around a corner, the century catches gravel or something and ends up in the ditch, since it could only go 25mph into the corner tops, relatively no damage....whereas, a porsche could have a much higher entrance speed, and most likely Would have a much higher entrance speed, so when it catches gravel, its going to be in the woods on the other side of the ditch sustaining far greater damage due to its increased limits....also, i wouldn't feel the NEED to punch the gas in the century cause i KNOW it doesn't do shit and is pointless, i'd spend more time just enjoying the ride than trying to get the car to go faster and explore its limits more
W Massa Funk: yeah, so the point was that if your limits are lower, the consequences are too. Just because something small happened didnt mean you were pushing it to the edge
Child: yep, but wouldn't you agree that when you ARE pushing something to the edge, there is a greater change that something WILL happen?
W Massa Funk: potential of something happening is greater, the level of danger attached to the something varies depending on the limit.
Child: indeed
Child: thats what my point was
W Massa Funk: you made it sound like just becuse the limits were lower, meant that people werent pushing as hard
Child: if you add into that equation that someone on a cruiser doesn't wear as much safety gear, than the consequences become much more gruesome
Child: well "I" personnaly, wouldn't bother pushing something if i already knew its limiter were lower
Child: thats not to say other people don't
W Massa Funk: you mean you wouldnt try to surpass the known limit
Child: i wouldn't try to come anywher NEAR the known limit
Child: cause i'd be willing to guess any monky could push a cruiser to its known limit
Child: but with a sportbike, the limit is the rider
W Massa Funk: i wouldnt go that far  i was draggin leather this weekend and the bike was sliding across the pavement. I tapped it out hehe
child: ha, i would be willing to bet that the bike could be pushed further, there's no way that you can outride, within less than a year of riding experience, what you told me was one of the more sought after powerful(or something alont those lines) sportbikes
W Massa Funk: that would be your uneducated opinion ;-)
child: i'm sure you're getting good, but if you think that you're really "wringing" the perf outtta that bike, even though i've never been on one, i'm calling BS
W Massa Funk: at time I am
child: and if you really wanna push it i'm sure we could jump on some sort of cycle forum or something
W Massa Funk: I went riding with a track rider of 7 years and passed him on a corner
W Massa Funk: time means very little
W Massa Funk: experience and testing does
child: you're pushing your limits, not necessarily the bikes limits
child: well, we'll just leave this at that
child: cause there's not point in argueing this one
W Massa Funk: hehe, you can believe that if you want
child: and you can believe what you want as well
W Massa Funk: unforunately mine has actual experience attached to it :\
Last edited by Orbax on Jan-05-2005 at 19:33
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Don't think I'll ever beat that. Linked the whole song.
