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wicked movie i loved it. only thing i never understood tho was why at the end the fbi agents told sonny black and other mafia members that donnie brasco was actually an undercover fbi agent all along???

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Originally posted by Spike wicked movie i loved it. only thing i never understood tho was why at the end the fbi agents told sonny black and other mafia members that donnie brasco was actually an undercover fbi agent all along???

It's been a while since i saw the movie, but i'm assuming by that point the state had already got enough evidence to build a case against the main targets, and since Donnie Brasco had already been extracted from the undercover investigation, it didn't really matter if they knew or not. Once they were charged, they would eventually find out that there was a rat in their organization. By that time, Donnie and his family would probably be in some kind of witness relocation program, so in theory telling them about him wouldn't really be a problem.

Plus, i'm sure the FBI wanted to gloat about how successfull their operation had been. I'm not sure if they would do something like that in real life, but for cinematic purposes it works perfectly, because even after being told that Donnie is a rat, the Mob guys (including Sonny Black himself) don't believe it. Proving just how convincing Donnie Brasco was as an informant.

A real fuhgahzee ( <--- that's probably not the way it's spelt, but if you don't know what i mean, then jus fuhgetaboutit

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Originally posted by Crazy Serb Godfather series,

You have to be joking. Yes Godfather 1 and 2 were amazing but the 3rd??? Shouldn't even be mentioned with the first 2.

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Originally posted by Crazy Serb In my opinion, more than half of the movies that De Niro/Pacino have put out deserve to be among the Top 100 movies of all times. And if you don't think that such movies as Scarface, Godfather series, The Heat, etc are way up there, you need to lay off the video games for a few months...

The gunfight on the street scene, the one where they try to get away from the popos in The Heat totally kicked my ass.

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Originally posted by dj_bas wow awesome!! that's way bigger than mine

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Originally posted by Cal The gunfight on the street scene, the one where they try to get away from the popos in The Heat totally kicked my ass.

that scene is DA SHIT.

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Originally posted by Kytracid There are exceptions of course...but on the whole, both of these guys have not really lived up to the talent that they showcased back in the 70's. .

alright i vowed i wasnt gonna poist again. But this statement just pissed me off. no offence kyrtracid, but what are u talking abt? what abt goodfella's, Casino, A bronx tale, Donnie Brasco, Godfather 2 and 3. these werent 70's movies, fuck even heat and even carlito's way. like cmon man the only really good gangsta films in the 70's by al pacino and robert denioro was godfather part 1 scarface and Taxi Driver. thats 3 compared to like 15 that were made in the 80's and 90's. I know my gangsta flicks i was raised on them.


Anyways im going back into the shadow and doing my thing i just came lurking and read this and had to correct it. no offence to anyone.

Once again this shall be my last message till someone else needs correcting. goodbye

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy alright i vowed i wasnt gonna poist again. But this statement just pissed me off. no offence kyrtracid, but what are u talking abt? what abt goodfella's, Casino, A bronx tale, Donnie Brasco, Godfather 2 and 3. these werent 70's movies, fuck even heat and even carlito's way. like cmon man the only really good gangsta films in the 70's by al pacino and robert denioro was godfather part 1 scarface and Taxi Driver. thats 3 compared to like 15 that were made in the 80's and 90's. I know my gangsta flicks i was raised on them. Anyways im going back into the shadow and doing my thing i just came lurking and read this and had to correct it. no offence to anyone. Once again this shall be my last message till someone else needs correcting. goodbye

First off, lemme say that I'm a fan of both Pacino and De Niro, so it wasn't my intention to trash either of them. They are both great actors, and yes, you're right -- they did make some great movies in the 80's. I was actually thinking of 'Casino' and 'Goodfellas' and 'Cape Fear' as the period after which De Niro started to pick some really dodgy scripts. He was doing some really good work till the early 90's when he began to get slack with his choice of projects. I'm not saying every film he did was garbage, but for a guy who can pretty much choose which script and director he wants to work with, he made quite a few terrible choices. Which to me is a shame, because he is capable of giving quite a range of performances.

The same is true of Al Pacino. I've seen too many movies where he's basically doing the same kind of character, ranting and raving at the camera a la Tony Montana. Yeah, Al's great when he's mad, but you know what, he's more then just Tony Montana, and it'd be great if he could choose roles which showcased this talent.

Again, like most guys growing up watching movies like 'Heat' and 'Goodfella's' I've always been a fan of the gangsta flicks. But you as a movie buff, i want to see both these great actors in other type of meaty roles as well.

Your point though is well taken, and i admit, i did overlook a few films which are classics. That being said...i still think De Niro's best performance was in Raging Bull, and Al Pacino's was in scarface...both 70's movies.

Casino was great, so was Goodfella's. But De Niro can only claim part of that films success. There were other actors who delivered just as good performances in those movies. The same is true of Donnie Brasco and Heat.

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