Become a part of the TranceAddict community!Frequently Asked Questions - Please read this if you haven'tSearch the forums
TranceAddict Forums > Other > Political Discussion / Debate > anti americans?
Pages (4): « 1 [2] 3 4 »   Last Thread   Next Thread
Share
Author
Thread    Post A Reply
smokeape
Lowland Trance Addict



Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Heart of Dixie

I like BadBad from the getgo.

Americans ain't leaving Iraq good, bad, or ugly. Seems the world of terrorists want to fight us there and they're losing despite reports to the contrary.


[[[smoke]]]

Old Post Jan-08-2005 23:44 
Click Here to See the Profile for smokeape Click here to Send smokeape a Private Message Add smokeape to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
St_Andrew
I <3 NYC



Registered: May 2003
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

quote:
Originally posted by BadBadNeil
Oh not saying the US is perfect and critisizing is fine when it is valid and not just spurred up because we are the US.

I think people too often have this great standard that we seem forced to uphold by carrying the US flag that we have to rush to everyone's aid, that we are allowed to do no wrong, that we have to always be equal and moderators with every country, we are supposed to donate more than everyone, etc. Sure some things come with being a superpower, and I think often people watch us much too closely because we are so visable.


true, since you are the biggest you also get the most attention, kinda natural. One more thing that has to do with it i think is that many major newsources are from the US and therefore also a lot of news comming from there to the rest of the world - the world get to know what you do wrong.

If something bad happen with the swdish governemtn, no one cares or ever hears about it...

but that said you do have to take a certain responislbity as a superpower (if you want to be a respected superpower that is). You dont have to give more per captita than anyone else, but when you give like 5% of what other countries does then the critique is valid.

quote:
For example the US war in Iraq, a good number of people have died as a result of the war and we all hear about it all the time. However I read the other day that well over 200,000,000 people have died as a result of direct or indirect action of a war in the world since 1990 and the world has heard very little of those even though they dwarf what has happened in Iraq.


hmm, can you get a source for that 200 millions!? doesnt seem very likely :S cause that would be a death rate at something similair with that of WWII...

quote:
I think the criticisms in Iraq are valid. Hell any criticism is valid if you provide logical reasoning hehind the criticism and facts if available.


totally agree.

quote:
I do think posts bitching about contributions are illogical and really help nothing. Something is better than nothing. Someone the other day on tv was doing some US bitching about how we spent $16 billion in florida and $350million in this disaster so far (not including troops and equip). Well of course we spent more here, people have insurance claims, our home prices average $500,000+ each, they aren't very modest homes like those destroyed in this latest diaster, and we had to cover our own disaster from our own pockets, not the help of the entire world.


something is better than a litle i agree, however more is better than a litle

and yes it makes sense that florida got more money.

Old Post Jan-09-2005 00:16  Europe
Click Here to See the Profile for St_Andrew Click here to Send St_Andrew a Private Message Visit St_Andrew's homepage! Add St_Andrew to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
shaolin_Z
Hei Hu Quan



Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
I like BadBad from the getgo.

Americans ain't leaving Iraq good, bad, or ugly. Seems the world of terrorists want to fight us there and they're losing despite reports to the contrary.


[[[smoke]]]


If we're serious about the war on terrorism the first thing out goverment should so is stop supporting it. The US has a long history of state sponsored terrorism.

Old Post Jan-09-2005 00:43  United States
Click Here to See the Profile for shaolin_Z Click here to Send shaolin_Z a Private Message Add shaolin_Z to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
shaolin_Z
Hei Hu Quan



Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102
Re: anti americans?

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/07/i...?pagewanted=all



do you think you can post the article? I can't read it without a login. thanks.

Old Post Jan-09-2005 00:52  United States
Click Here to See the Profile for shaolin_Z Click here to Send shaolin_Z a Private Message Add shaolin_Z to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
hardcore trancer
Mystic Mind



Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Toronto,Canada
Thumbs up

quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
If we're serious about the war on terrorism the first thing out goverment should so is stop supporting it. The US has a long history of state sponsored terrorism.


well said


___________________
Mystic Mind - DJ Mixes
http://soundcloud.com/mystic-mind

Facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/DJMysticMind

Old Post Jan-09-2005 00:53 
Click Here to See the Profile for hardcore trancer Click here to Send hardcore trancer a Private Message Visit hardcore trancer's homepage! Add hardcore trancer to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
shaolin_Z
Hei Hu Quan



Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102

quote:
Originally posted by BadBadNeil
Try to help someone and there is an agenda, don't help and you are ruthless, don't help enough and you are cheap, help with force and you are a brutal occupyer.


The rest of the world doesnt see us "helping" them and for very good reasons. The US provided Sadaam with chemical wepons/means for making them with he used to gas the Kurds. He came to power with US support.

Old Post Jan-09-2005 01:33  United States
Click Here to See the Profile for shaolin_Z Click here to Send shaolin_Z a Private Message Add shaolin_Z to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
St_Andrew
I <3 NYC



Registered: May 2003
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
Re: Re: anti americans?

quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
do you think you can post the article? I can't read it without a login. thanks.


Once-Critical Indonesians Are Grateful to U.S. for Aid
By RAYMOND BONNER

Published: January 7, 2005

JAKARTA, Indonesia, Jan. 6 - The United States military's huge relief effort for tsunami victims in South Asia is producing something of a political upheaval here, in the world's most populous Muslim country: America is being praised, even by some of its harshest critics, while Arab countries are being questioned.

"I am getting messages from friends saying, 'Why have the Muslim countries been so slow and stingy?' " said Goenawan Mohamad, one of the country's leading intellectuals.

Washington's campaign against terrorism, its staunch support of Israel and its occupation of Iraq have been widely interpreted by Indonesians as a war on Islam, and the Bush administration's various efforts to influence public opinion have failed to counter that impression. The American military came in for particular criticism in the Muslim world, after the shocking and continuing revelations of prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere.

All of that contributed to a sharp decline in America's image here in the years after Sept. 11, 2001, when Indonesians generally expressed solidarity with the United States. Before the tsunami struck, only some 15 percent of Indonesians had a favorable view of the United States, down from around 65 percent a few years ago.

Now, though, Indonesians are comparing the small amounts that have been offered by Arab countries with the hundreds of millions offered by the United States, Australia, Europe, Japan and China, said Mr. Mohamad, who like most Indonesians opposed the American invasion of Iraq.

A few days ago Koran Tempo, one of the country's major daily newspapers, published a reader's letter asking various radical Islamic organizations here why they were not helping in Aceh. "Don't only work through violence," the writer said. "Use your money to help, not just to buy equipment to hurt people."

The best news for Washington, though, may be no news: the absence of criticism among radical Islamic groups, even of the presence of American soldiers on Indonesian soil. A few weeks ago the mere suggestion of such a thing would have provoked demonstrations.

"That's a surprise, really," Dino Djalal, a spokesman for President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, said about the silence of the radicals.

American soldiers delivering aid have been featured on the front pages of newspapers and on television, in praise not condemnation. But the American honeymoon may prove short, and some cautionary notes were sounded Thursday.

The American troops have shown themselves to be "very sweet and humane," wrote Irfan Junaidi, a columnist in Republika, an Islamic newspaper. "There's nothing wrong with that," he continued, but then asked whether this picture of American humanitarianism bore any relation to American foreign policy, especially in Iraq.

For the moment, Indonesia's international image has gained from the attention brought in the aftermath of the destruction. Since the terrorist attack on Bali nightclubs in October 2002, the United States, Australia and other countries have issued travel advisories warning their citizens about terrorist dangers here. The warnings have hurt the country economically, keeping tourists away in great numbers.

Just three weeks ago, Australia issued one of the most alarming travel warnings, saying it had specific intelligence that terrorists were planning attacks over the Christmas period. It urged its citizens here to leave, and Qantas took the warning so seriously that its airline crews stopped spending the night in Jakarta hotels.

The Australian warning specifically mentioned the Hilton Hotel as a place of a possible attack.

Yet on Thursday, all of the world leaders who have arrived here for the relief effort - Secretary of State Colin L. Powell; Prime Ministers John Howard of Australia, Wen Jiabao of China and Junichiro Koizumi of Japan; Foreign Secretary Jack Straw of Britain; Secretary General Kofi Annan of the United Nations; the president of the World Bank, James D. Wolfensohn; and a score of aides, ambassadors and senior officials - were gathered in a conference center here in the shadows of the Hilton.

Indonesians are not basically anti-American, Mr. Mohamad said. Indeed, while the Islamic extremists can be loud and violent, they account for only a tiny minority, and most Indonesians practice a moderate strain of Islam.

But whether the good feelings generated by America's relief effort will be enough to overcome the resentment built up over the last several years is a good question, Mr. Mohamad said. "The criticism will remain, but the sting will be less," he suggested.

It has helped that President Bush brought out his father and former President Bill Clinton to raise money for the relief effort, Mr. Mohamad said. "It deflects attention from Bush Jr., who is not the most popular person in the world."

Rachmat Witolear, a longtime force in one of the country's largest political parties, Golkar, and the current environment minister, agreed that the relief assistance would improve America's standing here. But how much will depend on how President Bush acts, he said.

"It's a good initiative," Mr. Witolear said. "But still he has to be careful because the prevailing view of him being arrogant is still there."

The views about the United States assistance are not all positive. Some Indonesians are still smarting over the fact that the Bush administration was slow to respond and at first offered only $15 million. It was only after being criticized by the United Nations, and after other countries had come forth with large pledges, that the United States increased its aid to $350 million, said Nasrul Haq, chairman of the student body at Padjajaran University in Bandung.

"It looks like they are concerned about their ego, that the United States as a superpower doesn't want anyone to beat them," he said in a telephone interview.

Still, as Mr. Mohamad said, on the whole the feeling is good. "I hope it will last," he added.

Old Post Jan-09-2005 01:33  Europe
Click Here to See the Profile for St_Andrew Click here to Send St_Andrew a Private Message Visit St_Andrew's homepage! Add St_Andrew to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
zig
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Dec 2004
Location: Dublin,Ireland

just shows how lttle it takes to get americans annoyed..just mention the word anti.......

Old Post Jan-09-2005 02:48  Ireland
Click Here to See the Profile for zig Click here to Send zig a Private Message Add zig to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
smokeape
Lowland Trance Addict



Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Heart of Dixie

Blah, blah, blah, Ireland sucks and their GNP is idiocy, America is a superpower, folks are dying everyday. Nothing new.


[[[smoke]]]

Old Post Jan-09-2005 04:32 
Click Here to See the Profile for smokeape Click here to Send smokeape a Private Message Add smokeape to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
zig
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Dec 2004
Location: Dublin,Ireland

quote:
Originally posted by smokeape
Blah, blah, blah, Ireland sucks and their GNP is idiocy, America is a superpower, folks are dying everyday. Nothing new.


[[[smoke]]]


now thats where you walked into a problem with your post..ireland is now the fastest growing economy in the EU..and has been at least overall the fastest growing economy in europe for the last ten years..we now come second in the EU,in terms of wealth creation,after Luxemburg,which mainly relies on banking

blah blllah bllah

Old Post Jan-09-2005 05:12  Ireland
Click Here to See the Profile for zig Click here to Send zig a Private Message Add zig to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
George Smiley
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Jan 2004
Location: 9 Bywater Street, Chelsea, London

quote:
Originally posted by zig
now thats where you walked into a problem with your post..ireland is now the fastest growing economy in the EU..and has been at least overall the fastest growing economy in europe for the last ten years..we now come second in the EU,in terms of wealth creation,after Luxemburg,which mainly relies on banking

blah blllah bllah

Hmmm, sounds good, maybe we should take over control of Ireland again?! (Would certainly solve the problem of reunification anyway! )

Old Post Jan-09-2005 05:31  England
Click Here to See the Profile for George Smiley Click here to Send George Smiley a Private Message Add George Smiley to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
Krypton
83.798 g/6.022x10^23



Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Texas

it was late september 2001, and im in kentucky. i see rolling down the street a beat-up pick-up truck from the 70's, and spray-painted all over it are NUKE bin-laden, NUKE afghanistan, NUKE Irak, and NUKE all SOB's against USA, and then in the bed is a confederate flag waving around, and a guy without a shirt driving.


___________________

Old Post Jan-09-2005 16:25  Korea-Democratic Peoples Republic
Click Here to See the Profile for Krypton Click here to Send Krypton a Private Message Visit Krypton's homepage! Add Krypton to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message

TranceAddict Forums > Other > Political Discussion / Debate > anti americans?
Post New Thread    Post A Reply

Pages (4): « 1 [2] 3 4 »  
Last Thread   Next Thread
Click here to listen to the sample!Pause playbackCatchy Tune [2006] [0]

Click here to listen to the sample!Pause playbackCoast 2 Coast - "Searching" (Original Mix) [2003]

Show Printable Version | Subscribe to this Thread
Forum Jump:

All times are GMT. The time now is 12:17.

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
[IMG] code is ON
 
Search this Thread:

 
Contact Us - return to tranceaddict

Powered by: Trance Music & vBulletin Forums
Copyright ©2000-2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Privacy Statement / DMCA
Support TA!