In 2003 I proposed a simple but yet really effective voting system, but Swamper and some mods did not accept it because it was made without permission, so i'm asking now if i can do it this year. I don't care for the work load. If we want to have a transparent system then some hard work must be done. The thread can be found HERE

The only uncomfortable matter is that at the end of the year some tunes will be forgotten, but that can be solved very easily if the nominations are opened early in the year (i.e. April) and the posts are able to be edited unlimited times from there to the deadline date.
As I said before, it could require lots of work but i'm the first in the line to do it if you let me.

At least have in mind that idea, it is possibly the most fair voting system.

I still think Coups idea combined with my addition to it would work out just fine and effective

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Originally posted by tribu It's all based on total votes, so if a song is better than others, it will receive more votes. In this case, the votes would come via a nomination thread in the MD. If a song is good enough to be in the top 10 vote getters for an 11 week period, it desevres to be considered, even if it bumps another song from consideration. Its all about total votes (or in this case nominations)

In that case, the three groups should be made of different sizes. One of 7 for the first period of the year, the second of 10 and the last of 15. That way at the end of the year more tunes get a chance to make it. Once with the 32 songs collected, the top song can either be selected by the method you mentioned or leaving the 32 under one group so the best song can come out with just one vote round.

I'm still confused about the nomination process. Is it only going to be one for the whole year or three different ones? If it's the former, then I don't see how that's going to work. But if it the latter, then it does make sense because songs that don't make it the first time around have a chance later on.

After careful thought I retract from the idea of groups for 32 songs. It takes a lot of time.

I'm just confusing myself as I type this. My apologies.

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We all seem to be making it more difficult than it should be. We are only not encouraging bitching come the end of the year, but guaranteeing it. Simple is better.

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Originally posted by The Master In 2003 I proposed a simple but yet really effective voting system, but Swamper and some mods did not accept it because it was made without permission, so i'm asking now if i can do it this year. I don't care for the work load. If we want to have a transparent system then some hard work must be done. The thread can be found HERE The only uncomfortable matter is that at the end of the year some tunes will be forgotten, but that can be solved very easily if the nominations are opened early in the year (i.e. April) and the posts are able to be edited unlimited times from there to the deadline date. As I said before, it could require lots of work but i'm the first in the line to do it if you let me. At least have in mind that idea, it is possibly the most fair voting system.

This is the best idea that has been propsed. And I don't think anything will beat it. Tree systems just don't work. As for the hard work, I'm sure there are plenty of TAs (eg The Master himself) who are willing to spend a night or two counting. It's once a year, and it's an important event. So it's definately worth the extra effort.

you all must understand why i am reluctant to allow anyone one else to help me run this when it runs, as 5 people have ran this since it started, and all 5 have made a mess of it at some point, resulting in either botched numbers, botched tracks, missed deadlines, and a host of other things, which is why i said i shall be the only one.

id like others to help, i really would, i dont want to do it all myself, but due to past expiriences, i feel i have little choice.

thanks for the current ideas, keep them coming. im not well at the minute, so i'll have a more detailed look over them when im better.

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Originally posted by Coup you all must understand why i am reluctant to allow anyone one else to help me run this when it runs, as 5 people have ran this since it started, and all 5 have made a mess of it at some point, resulting in either botched numbers, botched tracks, missed deadlines, and a host of other things, which is why i said i shall be the only one. id like others to help, i really would, i dont want to do it all myself, but due to past expiriences, i feel i have little choice. thanks for the current ideas, keep them coming. im not well at the minute, so i'll have a more detailed look over them when im better.

so are you still sick or do you now feel better, dear?

what makes you think you are more able to run this than any of the other members of the forum? it is because you're a mod? i know 5 people have tried to run this, but who did choose them? the TA members? certainly not. so if this is going to be the OFFICIAL TA tune of the year contest, why don't we choose the person who is going to run it too? isn't that more fair? let's make a poll and let the people decide.

last year system needs to be gone. the nominations were a fücking joke. all remixes were count as the same track, WTF?! so for example if six people voted for 6 different mixes of Randy Katana - In Silence, (salinas summer, txitarro, ron van den beuken, pierre hiver, scratch bandicoot) then all 6 votes went for Randy Katana - In Silence!! this is absurd!!

oh and the heats system is even more absurd. having to vote for 2 of 4 tunes in a round is simply another way of manipulating the results. what if i only like one of the 4 tunes? why should i support a tune i don't like? so it get to the finals because some people decided to put it in there?

having no score for the tunes lets mediocre tunes get to the finals, let me show you how. take a look to the nominations thread. it is undoubtly the most diverse year in terms of music. everyone has to choose 5 tunes. so lets say everyone has a different top 4, but the fifth choice is common in a considerable amount of people, let's say its Randy Katana - In Silence. this does not mean its their favorite tune, but the system is counting everything as equal so it classifies to the next round. so when people see nothing worth in the next round to vote for (too diverse year), but they see Randy Katana - In Silence, they have no more choice than to vote for it, though it is not their favorite.

a gross and transparent system is what we need. no rounds, no idiotic rules, and most of all no groups who decide for everyone.

Do we even have to have one? In my opinion, no matter how we set it up, people wont be happy, and there will always be problems with, "Such-and-such a track shouldn't have been put in the top three! That's crap!"

I was thinking about this the other day. Any method chosen, not all TAs are going to be happy with it. That's just the way it's going to be.

Anyway, my last input for this thread:

Coup's idea about collecting three different groups of songs is good. Once all the songs are collected members can vote for the top song of the year. But the votes that each song got from the previous nomination should be added. All votes should count.

This way it's easier for both Coup and the members. Plus, it's somewhat unfair to be moving the songs from group to heat and so on and forgetting about past votes. So that's why it's better to go straight to the final stage from the nomination process.

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How about opening up a thread at the end of the year where each person has ONE vote in determining the ONE TOTY???

The ONE track that has the MOST votes wins!

Yeah!

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Originally posted by The Master last year system needs to be gone. the nominations were a fücking joke. all remixes were count as the same track, WTF?! so for example if six people voted for 6 different mixes of Randy Katana - In Silence, (salinas summer, txitarro, ron van den beuken, pierre hiver, scratch bandicoot) then all 6 votes went for Randy Katana - In Silence!! this is absurd!!

crybaby

Stop trying to be so argumentative and Anti certain people, it's getting stupid and making you look like even more of a baby than previously.

What's the point in having a final for example with 5 remixes of no one on earth out of 8 ? there isn't. Just deal with the fact that you don't like the system, stop trying to make it personal against coup and if can't do that, fuck off to another forum where you're not so blatantly biased against anybody who happens to be from UKTA which you always have been. You're making yourself look more & more pathetic than even I thought was possible. Go pick those toys up, put them back in your pram & stop sulking cos you don't like the tune that won. I didn't like 2003's winner, so what, I know a lot of others did.

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Originally posted by idoru Do we even have to have one? In my opinion, no matter how we set it up, people wont be happy, and there will always be problems with, "Such-and-such a track shouldn't have been put in the top three! That's crap!"

exactly.

People need to stop taking it so seriously (see the guy above who I quoted) and deal with the fact that nothing can be perfect and that it's only the internet.