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Originally posted by Nou Wouldnt this number be relative to the weight of the cart and different to each cart? Tracking force is going to be different with each cart (why you have calibrate to 0 weight) if you have a cart that weighs 1.5 grams and you have 2.25 added to the back then its total is 3.75, now say you have a 1.25 gram cart... 3.50 grams... etc etc etc...

...when you calibrate to 0 grams for the cart + stylus and then add 2.25g to that.. there will be 2.25g downforce, regardless of what cart you use. hence the point of the counter balance. however, height adjustments will have an effect, because higher tonearm settings can allow more record wear.

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Originally posted by razzi ...when you calibrate to 0 grams for the cart + stylus and then add 2.25g to that.. there will be 2.25g downforce, regardless of what cart you use. hence the point of the counter balance. however, height adjustments will have an effect, because higher tonearm settings can allow more record wear. razzi.

exactly

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Originally posted by nrjizer I've got my whitelabels set on about 2 and they work fine. I can cue like crazy.

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Originally posted by razzi ...when you calibrate to 0 grams for the cart + stylus and then add 2.25g to that.. there will be 2.25g downforce, regardless of what cart you use. hence the point of the counter balance. however, height adjustments will have an effect, because higher tonearm settings can allow more record wear. razzi.

i have my technics m5gs at 1 on the tonearm height and my shure whitelabels at 2... should that be okay as far as record wear goes?

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Originally posted by Nou the carts weight and the way its setup does play a factor tho, its not as if the cart is weightless. Just seems weird that someone can globally say "less than 2.25 grams will not caz record wear."

That is the whole point, if you calibrate it correctly the weight of the cart really is effectivly zero. You balance it with the cart, then you add 2.5 g or whatever, that it the amount of downforce. If you don't believe me you can actually get a balance for your turntable which should accuratly measure the amount of downforce. My dad has one of these and I was surprised how accurate the technics counter weight markings ended up being (assuming you are not reversing it).

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Record ware will occur whenever the stylus is touching the vinyl, no matter what weight it is set at. It is a fact of life. Obviously, the less weight you put on it, the less ware will occur.

Think about it: diamond vs. vinyl -- the hardest substance known to man vs. a weak plastic...it is going to do some damage.

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Originally posted by beema Record ware will occur whenever the stylus is touching the vinyl, no matter what weight it is set at. It is a fact of life. Obviously, the less weight you put on it, the less ware will occur. Think about it: diamond vs. vinyl -- the hardest substance known to man vs. a weak plastic...it is going to do some damage.

I think you missed the point of the article, about vinyl having some elasticity to it.

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Originally posted by `pr0digy I think you missed the point of the article, about vinyl having some elasticity to it.

I think the article is a heap of shit. It is talking about Tracking Force, ie, that little knob to the right of the tonearm. Ok, so if your tracking force is set at 2.5 or below, it doesn't add wear to the vinyl. Who gives a shit, the pressure from the stylus that comes from the weight on the tonearm adds plenty of wear regardless.

Just take care of your vinyl w/ proper storage and clean them now and then and it'll last you longer. Don't worry about f'ing tracking force causing wear. If you are that concerned about a vinyl, don't play it!

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Originally posted by beema clean them now and then and it'll last you longer.

does gruvglide really work?

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Originally posted by beema I think the article is a heap of shit. It is talking about Tracking Force, ie, that little knob to the right of the tonearm. Ok, so if your tracking force is set at 2.5 or below, it doesn't add wear to the vinyl. Who gives a shit, the pressure from the stylus that comes from the weight on the tonearm adds plenty of wear regardless.

Actually that is anti-skate. Tracking force is the downward force of the stylus onto the record. Every material has a region (of its stress/strain curve) where it deforms elastically and will return to its original shape once the force is removed. While a diamond is harder than vinyl, we are talking about pretty small forces (on the other hand it is over an extremely small area). While I am not completely convinced by the article I would not dismiss it too quickly as it brings up some interesting points.

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i think we can all agree that the less tracking force the better

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Originally posted by Tegu does gruvglide really work?

Works for me, seems much better than lighter fliud at removing static.

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