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Originally posted by Michael19 can someone please tell me how iraqi's who dont live there are allowed vote?

No different from Canadians or Americans who are out of their country during a time of vote...
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Originally posted by Fir3start3r No...I'm saying that but posting that picture some people think the whole country is like that since that's all we seem to see thanks to our sensationalist media... Where did I say only well-to-do could vote? I would have thought you'd be asking Trancer-X that since he thinks internet stats are relevant to voting? I dunno...if someone could find out what that coorelation is supposed to mean... (All I said was that they have computers and basically aren't beating their laundry off rocks)

The correlation (since you're obviously too simpleminded to realize this on your own) is that Iraq is for the most part devoid of a free press (or any true mass media for that matter.) Mass media which would be instrumental in promoting discussion or deliberation - something which would also include the internet.

Democracy requires a well informed, actively participating citizenry. Otherwise, you will wind up with just another Tammany Hall scenario. The Neo-cons are content with that because they're just looking for another puppet government in which to further our oil agenda.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X The correlation (since you're obviously too simpleminded to realize this on your own) is that Iraq is for the most part devoid of a free press (or any true mass media for that matter.) Mass media which would be instrumental in promoting discussion or deliberation - something which would also include the internet.

What does free press have to do with me saying they have computers and cars?
What are you going on about?
I state a simple fact that they do have computers despite mass media's contrary depiction. End of discussion.
You start narcoleptically babbling on about internet statistics and free press??
Where are you going with that arguement anyways, besides arguing with yourself?

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Democracy requires a well informed, actively participating citizenry. Otherwise, you will wind up with just another Tammany Hall scenario.

True.
Saddam and his goons were a great example of, "The Gangs of Bagdad"...
However, Saddam wasn't giving immigrants food, shelter and a job in return for votes.
He simply use executions and fear to keep his own people in line...

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The Neo-cons are content with that because they're just looking for another puppet government in which to further our oil agenda.

[insert Dr.Evil voice here]Riiiiight....
Lots of conspiracy theories on this...no facts...
But why not bang that, "No War for Oil" hippie drum some more for the Neo-con boogie-men?
Heck, if we can't explain it, it has to be the Neo-cons!!
They control everything!
I mean, for lunch today I was going to order a soup and salad but was then strangley influenced to get a burger and fries? Why is that? Did the planets align? Must be those damn neo-cons!

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Does anyone else want to take over this argument? I'm actually growing tired of having to repeat myself.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r What does free press have to do with me saying they have computers and cars? What are you going on about? I state a simple fact that they do have computers despite mass media's contrary depiction. End of discussion. You start narcoleptically babbling on about internet statistics and free press??p

Free Press has everything to do with an informed population. Iraq is devoid of a free press - and only wealthy Iraqi's have internet access (Internet is another instrument for the dissemination of information, if you haven't figured that out by now.)

Just as I had previously posted the links to information regarding some of the parties and candidates running in this Iraqi election, 99.99% of all Iraqi's lack the means to access that information.

An uninformed population trying to make an informed voting decision equates to a charade of an election.

Now please don't keep running around in circles in your futile attempt at debate; not only is it annoying, but your proud ignorance regarding the matter is becoming rather deplorable.


BTW - just so that you don't make the same mistake again, narcolepsy is a disease which causes the afflicted person to randomly fall to sleep. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with someone clamoring in the midst of an argument.

Last edited by Trancer-X on Jan-30-2005 at 04:01

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r No different from Canadians or Americans who are out of their country during a time of vote... >> Source <<

if an american has been living in another country for 10yrs can he still vote in the american election?


thats seems really stupid. someone who doesnt live there, has no right to decide who runs the country i think.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Lots of conspiracy theories on this...no facts... But why not bang that, "No War for Oil" hippie drum some more for the Neo-con boogie-men?

Actually, the facts are everywhere. They've been trying to get to Iraq's oil for decades. If you want, I can post (more than a few dozen sources of) that information when I have more time either tonight or tomorrow.

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Originally posted by Michael19 if an american has been living in another country for 10yrs can he still vote in the american election? thats seems really stupid. someone who doesnt live there, has no right to decide who runs the country i think.

They would have to maintain citizenship in order to vote. It's frivolous if you ask me, but a citizen is a citizen I guess, so let them vote!

Trancer its not worth it

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Originally posted by josh4 Trancer its not worth it

Yeah, you're probably right.

Iraqis are gonna vote. They don't care about insurgents attacking them while they do so, they live with them every day. As a matter of fact, they know who they are. Why they allow them to kill fellow Iraqis is beyond me.


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Originally posted by Michael19 if an american has been living in another country for 10yrs can he still vote in the american election? thats seems really stupid. someone who doesnt live there, has no right to decide who runs the country i think.

I think until that civilian has changed their citizenship then yes they would still be technically able to vote for their countries constituents...

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Notably quiet around here this morning! Perhaps because even the BBC has used the word "success." God bless these people:

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