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Originally posted by RobbyG. The Bin Laden family did have ties to the Bush family and it may STILL....who knows ...What pisses me off is that George is making NO effort in tracking Osama...THE GUY RESPONSIBLE FOR 911

Don't you know? It's all part of a grand diversion so that Dubya, Bush Sr., and the ghost of Prescott can go into Iraq and steal all of their oil and smuggle it out through their secret underground pipeline that was constructed by the Freemasons centuries ago. Osama Bin Laden might as well be Kaiser Soze.

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Originally posted by RobbyG. The Bin Laden family did have ties to the Bush family and it may STILL....who knows ...What pisses me off is that George is making NO effort in tracking Osama...THE GUY RESPONSIBLE FOR 911

Yes, well done, the Bush family have ties to the bin Laden family

But there is no link between Bush and bin Laden!!!

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Originally posted by RobbyG. What pisses me off is that George is making NO effort in tracking Osama...THE GUY RESPONSIBLE FOR 911

Well I think you are being a little unfair, I cant afford to go to Pakistan so there's not really much I can do to track bin Laden down!

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Originally posted by RobbyG. What pisses me off is that George is making NO effort in tracking Osama...THE GUY RESPONSIBLE FOR 911

But seriously...

It may be to do with the American psyche...

Americans not only need an enemy figurehead, they look for one. The enemy, whoever that happens to be at a particular time, is usually refered to as whoever leads that group...Hitler, Stalin, Kim, Saddam, bin Laden, etc, etc. It makes the Americans feel comfortable knowing who they enemy is and who to take out. Obviously this completely misses the point, especially, especially where it concerns al-Qaida (who are not a traditional terrorist group like the rest, it is an ideology, who people are a member of if they say they are)

Bush (and his puppet masters) have various agendas they are trying to implement the world over (military and economic neo-con policies) and the war against terror (TWAT) has so far given them a green light to pursue everyone of these objectives. If they catch bin Laden, most people in America will think they have won...

And what does that imply for the objectives Bush and his cronies are going for?

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Originally posted by George Smiley But seriously... It may be to do with the American psyche... Americans not only need an enemy figurehead, they look for one. The enemy, whoever that happens to be at a particular time, is usually refered to as whoever leads that group...Hitler, Stalin, Kim, Saddam, bin Laden, etc, etc. It makes the Americans feel comfortable knowing who they enemy is and who to take out. Obviously this completely misses the point, especially, especially where it concerns al-Qaida (who are not a traditional terrorist group like the rest, it is an ideology, who people are a member of if they say they are) Bush (and his puppet masters) have various agendas they are trying to implement the world over (military and economic neo-con policies) and the war against terror (TWAT) has so far given them a green light to pursue everyone of these objectives. If they catch bin Laden, most people in America will think they have won... And what does that imply for the objectives Bush and his cronies are going for?

I agree, though this is not all Americans, mainly conservatives. Anyone who thinks George is completely wrong, look at statememnts like "we can't change horses midstream" or "now that the Cold War is over, who's our enemy?" There have been many studies done about how people genrally favor Republican presidents in war time and Democrats in peace time.

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Originally posted by wolverine16 There have been many studies done about how people genrally favor Republican presidents in war time and Democrats in peace time.

Woodrow Wilson? FDR? Truman? JFK? LBJ?? All democrats, presiding over what I view as essentially the biggest U.S. wars of the 20th century. Unless you're saying that people would've preferred to have Repubs in office instead during those times. A contrarian might reply to your statment by saying that democratic presidents have incited wars while Republicans have made efforts to end/resolve them, though I'm certainly not going to go there.

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Originally posted by Shakka Woodrow Wilson? FDR? Truman? JFK? LBJ?? All democrats, presiding over what I view as essentially the biggest U.S. wars of the 20th century. Unless you're saying that people would've preferred to have Repubs in office instead during those times. A contrarian might reply to your statment by saying that democratic presidents have incited wars while Republicans have made efforts to end/resolve them, though I'm certainly not going to go there.

I'm talking about since the Goldwater revolution, which changed conservative politics greatly. Look at how much it influenced Reagan.

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Originally posted by wolverine16 I'm talking about since the Goldwater revolution, which changed conservative politics greatly. Look at how much it influenced Reagan.

So you're saying in the last 50 years basically? Maybe there's truth to that, maybe there isn't. It's not exactly a great historical time frame to make such a broad conclusion based on. But whatever, I digress.

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Originally posted by Shakka So you're saying in the last 50 years basically? Maybe there's truth to that, maybe there isn't. It's not exactly a great historical time frame to make such a broad conclusion based on. But whatever, I digress.

"What would John Kerry defend the county with? Spit bawls?" Come on, there's well known stereotypes out there that Dems are supposedly weak on defense. Bush tried to play that up BIG TIME in the election. Cheney even went as far to suggest that we would face nuclear attack if the wrong candidate was elected. It's been documented in opinion polls for years that there is a stronger belief in Republicans on defense issues and Democrats on Social Security, education and other domestic issues. Trends can't be measured too far back on ideology, because it evolves over time. 40 years ago the South was Democratic and a little more than 100 years ago the parties flip-flopped thier beliefs on strong federal government and

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Originally posted by wolverine16 "What would John Kerry defend the county with? Spit bawls?" Come on, there's well known stereotypes out there that Dems are supposedly weak on defense. Bush tried to play that up BIG TIME in the election. Cheney even went as far to suggest that we would face nuclear attack if the wrong candidate was elected. It's been documented in opinion polls for years that there is a stronger belief in Republicans on defense issues and Democrats on Social Security, education and other domestic issues.

Right, let me get this straight...

The Republicans are known to be strong in defence (the least important policy area as far as a given population is concerned) and the Democrats are known to be strong in all the areas that are (should be) of greatest concern to a given population...

And the American public vote for the Republicans because if they dont they will get nuclear bombed?!?!

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Originally posted by George Smiley Right, let me get this straight... The Republicans are known to be strong in defence (the least important policy area as far as a given population is concerned) and the Democrats are known to be strong in all the areas that are (should be) of greatest concern to a given population... And the American public vote for the Republicans because if they dont they will get nuclear bombed?!?!

Well I don't know how many people took Cheney that seriously on that charge. There are some domestic issues that garner much support to Republicans as well, but as far as most domestic policies, all you have to do is look at what polls were showing when they viewed Dems and the GOP and broke down who they trusted more on each policy. Kerry was trusted more on most other things, other than defense, relgion and a few other things.

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