agree,alcohol in blood alredy been lowered to 0.1 last summer.

but this country is all about restrictions,yet we look up to our neighbour and i can say the life out there is not that easy,its just us standing doggy style for a long time.

yet everyone whine about strict rules - noone will do anything.

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agreed. people never actually do anything. In fact most people under 30 dont even vote! Its sad.

If people 18-30 voted and had these concerns then politicians would actually have to listen. Instead you get the senior citizens voting so politicians will let 5 of them cancel things like wakestock even though it attracts 40,000 young people. Why? Because those 40,000 young people dont care to vote or stand up for anything.

The only thing youth cares about if they care at all are way out ideas such as stopping globalization or other idealist visions. We should stop protesting george bush and start protesting those unsexy issues that impact our daily life.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

true! well our mass-media "plays" the leading role in decision-making for voting and for issues that come up. starting from "building of bridge" and shortage of the doctors...

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dont even listen to the mass media. They are full of shit. They have gone from reporting the news to manipulating how you think about the news.

If not building a bridge to the airport tp appease a few island whiners is really a huge toronto issue then toronto must be utopia.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

Wow Jay, I actually agree with everything you said in this post.

Actually, I don't support privatization of liquor sales. Besides the fact that people always want to debate with the government and opt for the alternative for spite, I don't see any reason why to privatize it? LCBO's are clean, friendly, and organized - why fuck with a good thing? As if Canada does not already exhibit a multitude of America's commercial characteristics like "drive thru", walmarts, etc. Do we really need to have shady convenience stores selling liquor into the wee hours of the night?

The only reason I would support private sales is because LCBO has had serious problems managing and utilizing the proceeds from their liquor sales. As a key source or government revenue, it is critical issue how the money is spent.

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Originally posted by cap Actually, I don't support privatization of liquor sales. Besides the fact that people always want to debate with the government and opt for the alternative for spite, I don't see any reason why to privatize it? LCBO's are clean, friendly, and organized - why fuck with a good thing? As if Canada does not already exhibit a multitude of America's commercial characteristics like "drive thru", walmarts, etc. Do we really need to have shady convenience stores selling liquor into the wee hours of the night? The only reason I would support private sales is because LCBO has had serious problems managing and utilizing the proceeds from their liquor sales. As a key source or government revenue, it is critical issue how the money is spent.

I dont want privatization of the LCBO either. I want some competition for them. Big difference. I think busting the monopoly would be a good thing. Not to mention that it wouldnt take that much out of government revenue because what they dont mention when reporting all those juicy numbers is that most of what the LCBO makes is in taxes which would still be collected at private stores.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

I agree w this post/thread.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I dont want privatization of the LCBO either. I want some competition for them. Big difference. I think busting the monopoly would be a good thing. Not to mention that it wouldnt take that much out of government revenue because what they dont mention when reporting all those juicy numbers is that most of what the LCBO makes is in taxes which would still be collected at private stores.

The purpose of competition is to force a companies to strive to beat each other, which, in turn causes companies to improve prices, service, etc.

But LCBO's prices are already on very strict profit margins. How much cheaper do you think other stores could charge for booze?

LCBO's service is good; the stores are clean, organized and always carry speciality beverages based on respected reviews and tasters.

The LCBO IS A monopoly, but sanctioned and benevolent. The LCBO is not like Microsoft or something...

I suppose it wouldn't hurt to add a few more stores selling alcohol just for availability sake, but I really worry about turning into America with drive-thru booze sales and convenience stores stocked with 40's of Lucky Force 10 next to the sprite.

cap, I fully agree...there's little benefit to anyone (government or consumers) to privatizing LCBO or the Beer Store. I'm fine with relaxing liquor laws...but why should we deregulate and sell off profitable government operations? Sure, a lot of that revenue is tax...but let's not kid ourselves here, there's a shitload of profit there too. I'm fine with that going into our coffers instead of some guy's pocket.

My main disagreement with Jayx1...while I *definitely* do think that more responsibility needs to be put onto individuals, I don't feel that shifting any responsibility away from proprietors is beneficial at all.

If someone is clearly wasted, they should be cut off...does the bar/club have to follow the person around and make sure their friends don't buy them a drink? no. I don't think there should be unconditional liability for proprietors, but in being licensed to serve alcohol, a drug, I don't have a problem with them being forced to serve it in a responsible manner as well. Profit motivation needs to be kept in check a little...the last thing we need are wait staff saying "aw come on, why not have one more" instead of cutting someone off

things you learn from reading this thread. ive only been to western canada and never futher than thunder bay but i cant believe that the government has a molopoly on the sale of liquor. over here the government has laws that alow them to control who sells it so we dont have corner shops selling it but hey there is alot of competition. i personally work at a liqour store and with the competition you can easily pick up things cheap. also we dont have a limit on whats to be sold we can stock anything we want as long as the people want it and it sells.

i agree that their should be some sort of controlled competition brought in.

just a question out of curiousity. whats the average price of products like vodka, bourbon, 24 of a full strength beer. etc in ontario. cheers

There's an interesting letter to the editor in the Star today (granted from a source biased toward the sale of the LCBO).

It mentions that one of the benefits of introducing private sales of liquor (not necessarily the complete dismantling of the LCBO) is greater product selection.

Apparently the LCBO offers some 13,000 or so items whereas in Alberta, some 21,000 items / varieties are available.

As for the comment "Do we really need to have shady convenience stores selling liquor into the wee hours of the night?", is society any worse off in places like Alberta or Quebec where this practice is permitted? I for one don't hear of any stories of exceptional numbers of drunkards roaming the streets in the wee hours as a result of increased availability any more than what already occurs here.