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Originally posted by Jayx1 And what exactly is Mcguinty doing?

Umm...well for starters the Provincial Government is restoring funding to public transit & now the Feds are too...Another idiotic move that Harris pulled was having a used car salesman as Transport Minister.Paladini's interests we're to have MORE cars (proferably HIS cars from his dealership) on the road & leave the TTC by the curb...Talk about a conflict of interest

I have no faith in the same old parties coming to power.Its always a see-saw battle and so we need REAL change with drastic change and NOT cater to the rich/Bay street crowd.

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Correct me if Im wrong but the liberals promised things and made their plan on the basis that the outgoing party didnt have debt like they said they didnt.

But then it turned out there was a big debt and now the liberals cant stick to their plan because the variables are all changed.

It doesnt look like its their fault.

Do I have my information wrong here?

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Originally posted by dj_bas wow awesome!! that's way bigger than mine

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Originally posted by Cal Correct me if Im wrong but the liberals promised things and made their plan on the basis that the outgoing party didnt have debt like they said they didnt. But then it turned out there was a big debt and now the liberals cant stick to their plan because the variables are all changed. It doesnt look like its their fault. Do I have my information wrong here?

That pretty much sums it up...amb has posted some info about the PC cooking their books to make them look better but once the Libs had an audit then they had to make changes.Apparently Maguinty was SOO pissed when he found out AFTER he was elected about the defficit and that he couldn't carry out his plans.

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Originally posted by Cal Correct me if Im wrong but the liberals promised things and made their plan on the basis that the outgoing party didnt have debt like they said they didnt. But then it turned out there was a big debt and now the liberals cant stick to their plan because the variables are all changed. It doesnt look like its their fault. Do I have my information wrong here?

Yeah, that's one side of the equation.

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Originally posted by Cal Correct me if Im wrong but the liberals promised things and made their plan on the basis that the outgoing party didnt have debt like they said they didnt. But then it turned out there was a big debt and now the liberals cant stick to their plan because the variables are all changed. It doesnt look like its their fault. Do I have my information wrong here?

The problem is there are several press releases and newspaper articles where McGuinty states he knows for a fact that the books weren't balanced prior to the actual election. Yet he still clung to his promises throughout the campaign on the assumption the books were balanced.

May 19, 2003 (about 5 months before the election):
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/...3/19/c3258.html
"The Dominion Bond Rating Service, the chief economist at the Toronto Dominion Bank, and Standard and Poors all agree: the erratic Ernie Eves regime has clobbered Ontario citizens with a big and growing deficit - as much as $2 billion, the economists say."

Again, September 4, 2003:
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/...3/04/c7315.html
[Quoted from the Globe and Mail]:The government claims it will balance its books in the current fiscal year, which began on April 1. Most other estimates peg the shortfall at somewhere between $2-billion and $4-billion, which is serious money, even for a budget that will spend close to $71-billion...[end quote]

"Two senior economists and a forensic auditor - including the Chief
Economist of Scotiabank - have confirmed that our financial plan is more responsible and prudent than the Eves 2003 budget, and that our platform would lead to both balanced budgets in all four years and increased surpluses to invest in Ontario's future."

... ok ... so they KNEW the deficit was going to come in around $2-4 billion. The actual deficit the Liberals reported came in at $5.5 billion. Keep in mind this number could just as easily be massaged upwards like the PCs massaged the deficit downwards to claim it was balanced. Obviously it is in the Liberals interests to make this initial number higher than it may actually be to pin blame on a previous government and "show" how much more of an improvement they can make. I think it's fairly safe to say the "true" number probably lies somewhere between $4-5 billion. Knowing that the deficit could be potentially that high even before he was elected, why was McGuinty continuing to make false statements that he would have a balanced budget in all 4 years?

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe last time I checked there wasn't a balanced budget. 5 billion debt = balance budget? and as for Tution so far the mandate is that there is a 2 year freeze on tuition whether it goes up after that is to be determined. Don't whine about something that could happen in the future, we already have a freeze just like they promised.

you're arguing to the deaf who hear what they want to hear...Bob Rae did indeed recommend a freeze until his other recommendations (like more grants, repayment tied to income, etc) are implemented.

why bother...people will just spout anti-Liberal b.s. anyway

the best part is that these whiners think that the Conservatives or the NDP would somehow be radically different, lol. How quickly they forget that the outgoing Conservatives BLATANTLY LIED about the financial state of gov't coffers...but we're supposed to forget all that and just rag on the Liberals.

it's become funny...and it's why I rarely bother to even post in these threads anymore. The Conservative Alliance is a joke...the NDP remains overly idealstic...the Liberals are the best we've got right now (and yes I know they are not some utopian gov't).

Amazing that none of the usual suspects have many words of praise for the good things the Liberals have done...as if EVERYTHING they've done all these years has been horrible.

pathetic whiners...

Honestly though... in the past 10-12 years, what HAS the federal Liberal government accomplished that is noteworthy?

I'd say balancing the budget / generating a surplus is just about all.

How was this achieved?

a) Had a lot to do with policies that were implemented prior to the Liberals arriving (ie Free Trade with the US substantially bumping up the Ontario economy as well as revenue from the GST.)

b) Lucking out in that the North American economy has had some of the most prosperous times ever.

c) Axing 50,000 federal employees (25% of the workforce).

d) Slashing health and social transfer payments to the provinces to the tune of billions (i.e. passing the buck along... and not the good "buck" either!)

... Is this really something to be proud of? Child Poverty is worse than it was 15-20 years ago when all parties agreed it would be eradicated by 2000. The only innovative solution to health care they can come up with is to throw even more money at the problem. It hasn't worked in the past, why will it now?

I'm not suggesting the other parties would have been any better, but really, this country has basically been on auto-pilot for the past 10-15 years with no one behind the steering wheel.

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Originally posted by MarkT How quickly they forget that the outgoing Conservatives BLATANTLY LIED about the financial state of gov't coffers...but we're supposed to forget all that and just rag on the Liberals.

I don't think anyone's implying that there was no corruption in the outgoing Conservative government at the time, but it can't even begin to measure up to the corruption we've seen in the Liberal government(s). Technically, their campaign is racketeering under the U.S. RICO statues. Too bad Canada doesn't have similar safeguards...

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