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Originally posted by Trancer-X Well, maybe you should go and study up on the ways of the former Soviet Union and their internal passport system. You seem so vocal about everything that I post here, yet you also want me to hand feed you information that you should probably be researching on your own. I'm personally not about to consent to the further destruction of my Constitutional rights by a co-opted government that intends to systematically destroy each and every one of them. We already have Social Security numbers which are being used for much greater than their originally intended purpose.

In reality, what information don't they have already that could possibly worth worrying about?

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The average illegal immigrant in this country is just minding his own business in this country, paying for taxes, etc. IMO. This bill doesn't really say much from what I hear, it says about tracking U.S. citizens, but how about the immigrants that are here legally (ie with a greencard or work permit or any type of visa)? In the end this probably wont make much of a difference since there are so many illegal immigrants it would be virtually impossible to deport them all, mainly because of costs. In that case, the U.S. is better off with all its immigrants that helped make this country rich in the first place.

I can see the problems with an ID card, but i also see the possibilities, you can save a lot of info there and make life a lot easier.

I dont know about the exact details for this, but i dont think it sounds that bad?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew I can see the problems with an ID card, but i also see the possibilities, you can save a lot of info there and make life a lot easier. I dont know about the exact details for this, but i dont think it sounds that bad?

Would you want to be forced to carry a national ID card when you travel in your own country that has a radio chip that lets the government know where you are?

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I don't know - if they could make a national id card a national driver's license card I think it'd be acceptable.

As long as the government doesn't force it on people its not a violation of their constitutional rights.

Frankly I'd rather get a national id card then a state drivers license because I wouldn't have to take a test everytime I move to another state.

Its not like the US government doesn't have one massive database right now anyway that can piece together info on all the citizens. This step would just streamline I think interstate trade.

Ideally I'd be against it, but if its optional I think the economic benifits will defintely out way any privacy concerns. And the government won't be able to do much even with an optional national id system since there will always be people like Trance-X that won't use the system and keep the rest of us safe from governmen t by doing so.

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Originally posted by Zild Would you want to be forced to carry a national ID card when you travel in your own country that has a radio chip that lets the government know where you are?

well is that really what it will be like?

if that is the case i would be very much against it, doesnt sound that likely tho?

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Originally posted by Yoepus I don't know - if they could make a national id card a national driver's license card I think it'd be acceptable. As long as the government doesn't force it on people its not a violation of their constitutional rights. Frankly I'd rather get a national id card then a state drivers license because I wouldn't have to take a test everytime I move to another state. Its not like the US government doesn't have one massive database right now anyway that can piece together info on all the citizens. This step would just streamline I think interstate trade. Ideally I'd be against it, but if its optional I think the economic benifits will defintely out way any privacy concerns. And the government won't be able to do much even with an optional national id system since there will always be people like Trance-X that won't use the system and keep the rest of us safe from governmen t by doing so.

lol i like how you basically agree with him, but slip in the last part trying to make him look paranoid.

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Originally posted by claudits The average illegal immigrant in this country is just minding his own business in this country, paying for taxes, etc. IMO. This bill doesn't really say much from what I hear, it says about tracking U.S. citizens, but how about the immigrants that are here legally (ie with a greencard or work permit or any type of visa)? In the end this probably wont make much of a difference since there are so many illegal immigrants it would be virtually impossible to deport them all, mainly because of costs. In that case, the U.S. is better off with all its immigrants that helped make this country rich in the first place.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the average illegal immigrant is probably paying no taxes at all(since he/she would have no SSN and aren't registered with the government, paying taxes would amount to nothing less than a mea culpa). I think that represents a big part of the problem.

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Originally posted by Shakka Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the average illegal immigrant is probably paying no taxes at all(since he/she would have no SSN and aren't registered with the government, paying taxes would amount to nothing less than a mea culpa). I think that represents a big part of the problem.

not entirely true, if they buy stuff they are paying sales tax for whatever city/area they live and work in|

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Originally posted by St_Andrew well is that really what it will be like? if that is the case i would be very much against it, doesnt sound that likely tho?

Probably not but it could easily go that way. People need to be desensitized slowly its not an overnight process.

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Originally posted by biznology not entirely true, if they buy stuff they are paying sales tax for whatever city/area they live and work in|

A very good point, but I tought the poster meant that they were paying income taxes, social security, FICA, etc. What's a 7% sales tax when compared to the 30+% that most legal citizens pay?