I agree, although the AC is really nice in the summer when it's blistering hot, and the bus is packed!

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IMHO I'm beginning to think maybe letting ttc become completely private wud be the best route to take.

It seemed to work for England.

Oh i dunno...all I know is that I hate the ttc. Service is crap, there is no smile (just atatouche) and I don't appreciate having to be forced to pay a higher fare than in Montreal or anywhere else.

As for the tax rebate, that's just rediculous. Just more of a reason to raise taxes later on. TTC will never bring down their fares.

TTC = Takes The Cash

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Originally posted by DigiNut So because it makes you happy, it therefore makes sense from a policy perspective? That's a shameful way to think. How about we institute a policy wherein I get a government check for $500,000 a year - that would make me happy, so it makes sense to me. Care to explain/support this assertion?

Its not that it makes me happy... but I think we all realise that bitching about it will not help it either... be realistic, the fares are not going to go down! What does the TTC complain about all the time..lack or reduction of ridership? dont forget that beside providing transportation they are also interested in running a self sufficient business. This is a good incentive to reduce traffic on the road and increase the number of people taking public transport. They are increasing the token price and not increasing the monthly pass because they know that by doing that their ridership will not go down from their fixed income clients. But by providing a tax break to these people will help increase their monthly pass riders.

I am only assuming that their will be no receipts for token buyers, there might be, they might bring out a new system to actually implement that.

As for being shameful, dude there are families which spend $3000 of their hard earned money for transportation every year for themselves and their kids, why should'nt they get a break. I have a car but I still use the TTC because I belive in public transport and the only way to make it better is for more people to use it and give them an incentive to use.

seems like a good idea...

or just toll the roads in the downtown core...

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Originally posted by TranceGeek seems like a good idea... or just toll the roads in the downtown core...

You dont drive or live beyond the core, do you?

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by walkindude Its not that it makes me happy... but I think we all realise that bitching about it will not help it either... be realistic, the fares are not going to go down! What does the TTC complain about all the time..lack or reduction of ridership? dont forget that beside providing transportation they are also interested in running a self sufficient business. This is a good incentive to reduce traffic on the road and increase the number of people taking public transport. They are increasing the token price and not increasing the monthly pass because they know that by doing that their ridership will not go down from their fixed income clients. But by providing a tax break to these people will help increase their monthly pass riders. I am only assuming that their will be no receipts for token buyers, there might be, they might bring out a new system to actually implement that.

This is all speculation! Do you really honestly think that in 5 years from now there's going to be any increase in ridership (excluding the obvious increase that comes from greedy immigration policies)?

You're going to find out that you're wrong, because the vast majority of people who ride the TTC do not buy passes. In order for a pass to be cost-effective, you have to ride about 5 times a day. I don't even get into my car 5 times on most days. Whatever gain they see in metropass sales is going to be more than offset by the relatively astronomical loss from token/ticket sales due to higher rates.

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As for being shameful, dude there are families which spend $3000 of their hard earned money for transportation every year for themselves and their kids, why should'nt they get a break.

There are families which spend $20,000 of their hard-earned money to pay for other people's sprained ankles and welfare cheques - why shouldn't THEY get a break?

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I have a car but I still use the TTC because I belive in public transport and the only way to make it better is for more people to use it and give them an incentive to use.

No, the way to make it better is to make it actually go somewhere. Look at our TTC map next to a map of New York or Montreal - that's how we can make it better.

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Originally posted by DigiNut No, the way to make it better is to make it actually go somewhere. Look at our TTC map next to a map of New York or Montreal - that's how we can make it better.

i second that!

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But our transit system rules compared to moose jaw and lexington!!

Come on u spoiled brats!

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by DigiNut No, the way to make it better is to make it actually go somewhere. Look at our TTC map next to a map of New York or Montreal - that's how we can make it better.

Yep...totally agree here...and we STILL have no subway to the Pearson Airport.If we want Toronto to be a "world class" city then we have WAY too much work ahead of us.

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The only place you can get to on a bus is Major intersections within Toronto.

I was carless for 5 years while working costruction...the only place the bus or subway took me is ..downtown or somwhere close by.. Missisauga ?? No way in hell ..I took a ttc bus ,i took a missisauga bus ...still didnt get me close to there ..(got to walk for 10 minutes) to get to the site.And thats at a rushhour 7am .On the way back at 3;15 pm no buses .No buses untill 5 pm .WTF is that??? Bulshit transit system we got..And now its going up?? Service worse ,fares higher.Way to go Toronto

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This is the new hybrid bus TTC will buy in the future...the ENTIRE fleet will look like this...What's old is new again










Actually...its a 1946 Ford Transit 3 bus...with a V8 gasoline engine

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