you guys kick some serious tail

thanks for the advice

Last edited by iammesol on Feb-28-2005 at 03:48

Thanks heaps for the advice so far.

If you listen to a song like 'my, my, my' (which I hate) you can hear that the sounds really progresses through each 4 beat bar.

Most music made before recent times has a tendancy to change significantly each phase (8 or 16 beats) but not so much on each 4 beat count. I'm not a music terminology expert but I've been listening to edm since the beginning of time and when you hear songs like 'Four to the Floor' they are great to dance to because they have such constant strength through each 4 beat bar.

If you shut your eyes you can imagine a turbine which starts off slowly and then powers stronger and louder through each 4 beat bar.

Maybe that made no sense....

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I think the reason some people think their tunes suck is because they set too high goals.. like comparing your tune to AvB when it comes to mastering.
skills doesnt come over night, and dont be too hard on yourselves.
great tip: be satisfied with what you are able to make, then you will have a power in your brain that keeps pushing you forward to make better music. but if you do hate your own songs, your brain is just going to get destroyed of producing skills..

Layer, layer, layer to make it sound full.
Do a lot of experiments on making a clean mix (8 bars or something).
Eq, eq, eq, eq to bring out the best in the sounds.

Listen to good tracks, but do not compare your tune to it.
just listen how the progression is there and the sounds of course and learn..

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5) Do something creative to keep people interested (holden'esque ripped off reverb claps do not count).

Use velocity to drive the track along and check out this link;
http://www.serious-sounds.net/forum...?showtopic=2029

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Last edited by djyouth on Feb-28-2005 at 00:15

There are some great people on TA.

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Thanks
Its nice too see that at least someone appreciates the hard work we do to help ya all..

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I agree with almost everything in the post, short of layering. Layering for the sake of layering is a bad idea, and can easily lead to muddying up a track.

Minimalism can be a very effective tool as well.

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Originally posted by töbias There are some great people on TA.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag I agree with almost everything in the post, short of layering. Layering for the sake of layering is a bad idea, and can easily lead to muddying up a track. Minimalism can be a very effective tool as well.

Yeah, but layering and keeping all the layered sounds toned down and maybe like compress and EQ them together can give a nice sound while still being minimalistic.

I find that's the biggest problem with most n00b producers (like me), we don't throw enough sounds into the mix layer-wise but also like effect-wise, the tracks are often quite empty and that can sound good but still not pro.

Of course it can be overdone aswell.

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I find that many sounds do sound 'cheap' without any effects applied to them.. just throw on a nice deep reverb and delay, maybe unison, alittle EQ, and you've got yourself a good sound.

Of course sometimes you don't want to have those effects, many techno or house tracks will even leave the effects completely out. It depends on the style you are going for.

Agree with everything said before, but have a few more points to add:-

1. EQ. It is both your friend and your worst enemy. Used effectively and creatively it can make a huge impac on the way a mix sounds. Shoot to have each element have it's own space in the mix. Use EQ to reduce freqency overlaps. This works wonders once you get the hand of it.

2. Pitch. Make sure everything is in tune. I don't just mean the melodic elements. You can seriously affec he impac of a track by tuning the precussion, kick and spot effects. If you haen't tried this yet give it a shot.

3. Compression. Compressors & Limiters take a long time to get used to. There is no "One style fits all" prests for this. Also usually if you can hearit working you've probbably over cooked it. Compressing individual elements or groups of elements together can help produce a more cohesive sound. DO NOT MIX THROUGH A COMPRESSO OR LIMITER ON THE MASTER BUS. Really. It may sound nicer when you are working, but ultimately it won't help you. See mastering threads for details.

4. Effects. Effects are the bread and buter of this kind of music. Delay is vital. If I could have but one effect it would be delay. Reverb, chorus, flanging and distortion 9If you are doing anything harder) when well used add greatly to the elements of your track.

5. The raw materials. Get decent sounds (A discussion on its own), your mixes will thank you. Wimpy elements make for wimpy tracks. No amount of turd polishing will save you. Garbage in garbage out.

6. All of this is useless without decent monitoring. If you don't have some get some. It is no good if you tracks sound great to you at home but don't translate to any other listening environments. Also if you think about i mixing on a $10 pair of headphones won't make for the best mix transaltion to a 30k pa system. if you are thinking about actually getting records out there invest in some decent monitors, and if you can handle it some room treatment too. Seek a lot of advice on the latter as if you do that wrong you can wind up costing yourself a ton of money and wind up prodcuing worse mixes. If your listenening environment lies to you and you don't know its vices then you are in deep trouble.

7. Be reasonable in your expectaions. You are not going to be "Insert Big Name Here" overnight. It takes a lot of effort to produce great music. Great tracks come with wisdom. Unfortunately wisodom comes from experience, and experience from decisions, most of which (in the early stages) will be wrong.

Stick with it though. It's a fun journey.