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Originally posted by Yoepus I don't want to get into this thread as you guys all apparently type much quicker then me. But I did want to point out how I think it is funny, ironic, what you will, that some of the same people who are/were arguing that the USA military, the mightiest military this world has ever seen, the military of the biggest defense spender on earth, the military of the sole remaining superpower, had somehow overexerted itself by sending 200,000 troops to Iraq and are now the same people now that are arguing that Al Q )which is estimated to have no more than 20,000 - 40,000 men) are not overexerting themselves in Iraq. I just find that very paradoxical. That is all. (boy that was one long sentance).

Yep that's indeed one long sentence

And I see what you are saying. But couldn't it be argued that the recruiting of Al-qaida personel/resources are somewhat more dynamic than that of the US army? The US army have a fixed number of soldiers more or less (correct me if I'm wrong) but the people fighting under the Al-Qaida guise seems to increase with the amount of "troubles" in a given region.

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Welcome to the forum Benjamin. Hope you're not scared off by so few people agreeing with you.
All in all I agree with the logic of Mister Opus (except I wouldn't put it beyond the Bush administration to lie to the troops and the population in general) and Renegade, however, I think that your father's hypothesis has a little merit to it: I guess that a side effect of the current military occupation, is that poor, disorganized, radical, and stupid militants of the middle east now have a red cloth waived in front of them, and consequently they cast away their lives on battling the Americans in Iraq. If there was no American occupation in Iraq, these people would have to contend themselves with becoming martyrs by blowing up Israelis or attacking western businessmen in Saudi-arabia. That is, I think that the heat of the region has been focused in Iraq, with the remaining part of the region enjoying a period of relative calm. At least, I think that the frequency of violence outside Iraq has dropped since, say, two years ago.

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Originally posted by Q5echo don't listen to Opus on this subject. he's a globally myopic critic that works for a party in ruin, if it isn't already painfully obvious. listen to your father, but open your mind to bigger and more strategic goals that go beyond this administration and dictate this century's identity.

Yo mama!

Where ya been Q? Things are startin' to livin' up 'round here again!

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Originally posted by trancaholic Welcome to the forum Benjamin. Hope you're not scared off by so few people agreeing with you.

Hey, we're all mature people here, I can handle a little heat.

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Originally posted by Benjamin B Hey, we're all mature people here, I can handle a little heat.

Just remember if you're ever wrong stick to your guns, change the topic, but what ever you do never admit your wrong it's a sign of weakness.

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Originally posted by Benjamin B This is my 2nd post in the pdd, so please be gentle. This may have been addressed before, but what the hell. My father and I were talking about Iraq and the terrorist threat. His point was that the real reason(at least his theory ) for having troops in Iraq is to focus all terrorist forces against our troops, not our homeland. Why stay here and let them attack us when we can give them a target (one that has the ability to defend itself properly)? Isn't the entire purpose of our army to protect and serve? What better way to do it than act as a decoy, taking the punches for the country you fight for? I think it's a revolutionary defense strategy... Anyway, I'd like to hear some other perspectives. -BB

Hey you know I've just viewed this video of presumably american troops being blown up by a bomb in iraq. Notice the sadistic raving of an islamic lunatic on camera as he gets excited when those troops get blown up. Bottomline, terrorists will find a target regardless

http://hackjaponaise.cosm.co.jp/ter.../0303200501.ram

I guess that's what you mean when you say to concentrate the targets over there and not here.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Here's another. THEY WERE ALREADY THERE.

oh yeah... there were really daily bombings in Iraq before the war by "terrorists" that were already there

Get real man.



you piss people off.. they will fuck you back up. The terrorism is a reaction to the ACTIONS of the United terrorist states of America

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Well, at least our presence has put Syria in check for a short while recently, but jury still out on Lebanon and whether they will return to civil war. It would be great if they took the lead trying to fashion a free government like Iraq, given the unique opportunity to do so with a US presence in the region. Also wonder if they could succeed in giving Hezbollah the boot in the process.

Seems Iran is becoming more obstinant on the downside, but they were never too fond of us to begin with.


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Originally posted by ogvh5150 1500+ Dead GI's click 15,000+ Dead civilians click 0 Weapons of Mass Destruction (Official: U.S. calls off search for Iraqi WMDs) All warfare is based on deception Sun Tzu The more you read and learn, the less your adversary will know Sun Tzu Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave Frederick Douglass Welcome to the forum.

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