What a poor guy, what he had to go through. Our laws are so slack compared to the states. True we change part of our laws last year I think.

Bad incidence for me flying into the US was, having scissors and protractor (after 9/11). This one is before 9/11 (flying inter island in Hawaii), my hiking books kept going off because part of it has metal on it (their like okay wtv), if that happen now they would wanna know why I have metal in it.

My mother went down to Cabo last weekend, one of her bags (she got stopped in L.A of all places) she got stopped there because her back had chemicals all over it (all those cosmetics u women use its a deadly fucking weapon) she has no idea if shes on some watch list now, bad thing for her she travels like monthly the US. One thing she said shes never bringing that bag with her ever again.

Marcus007 almost got stopped at the customs at Dorval because the American customs do was messing with his head and asking questions to fast.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf Let's put it this way: the 19 9/11 hijackers weren't Italian Catholics, Thai Buddhists, Indian Hindus, or Israeli Jews.

As usual, you're in left field. Any type of constitutional system is based on the respect of certain principles that should be inviolable, regardless of "circumstances". Your attempt to highlight the fact that the hijackers were Muslim or Arab was implicitly meant to justify a "utalitarian" type of argument, where it would be acceptable that such ethnicities/races/muslims be targeted "for the greater good", based on some a priori event that could "justify" such actions. Not only has racial profiling a) been proven not to work, but more importantly, b) it's inherently racist. Racial profiling is mass punishment, and thus an infringement on individual civil liberties, those same rights and principles that every constitutionally based system is supposed to protect.

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Originally posted by malek and I'm not a muslim either and don't look like a mullah

I understand your frustration, but you have to consider who most of the 9/11 hijackers were.




Consider Ziad Jarrah. He was a clean cut upper-middle class professional. He was a German citizen and had a Mercedes.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/thepilot/story.html

Yet he was also a terrorist.


So although it's a pain in the ass, I think what the U.S. is doing is totally justified.

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Originally posted by Epicurus As usual, you're in left field. Any type of constitutional system is based on the respect of certain principles that should be inviolable, regardless of "circumstances". Your attempt to highlight the fact that the hijackers were Muslim or Arab was implicitly meant to justify a "utalitarian" type of argument, where it would be acceptable that such ethnicities/races/muslims be targeted "for the greater good", based on some a priori event that could "justify" such actions. Not only has racial profiling a) been proven not to work, but more importantly, b) it's inherently racist. Racial profiling is mass punishment, and thus an infringement on individual civil liberties, those same rights and principles that every constitutionally based system is supposed to protect.

How then would you target terrorists entering the country?

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Every religion have extremists, not sure about the Buddhist though (most peaceful religion that i know of)

religion bs, doesnt matter what religion u are, u can change that. its race that u can not change your heritage. I'm a cathlo-jew i can become a buddhist if I wanted too.

One thing its impossible to end terrorism thats for sure, you kill one (5-10 new ones come out) its like AIDS (battle that cant be won)

thing is the way i see if the terrorist should just use free speech and bash and give shit to ppl rather then ruin ppl lives. they should be happy that Nixon aint in power because the middle east and parts of indonesian countries would of been blown into small little countries by now.

Also one thing screw chemical and nuclear weapons just work on EMP. For sure wont help that much but could cripple a country easilly.

u should be ban mr wolf

ure just like those gvt responsibles trying to convince people with stupid arguments

generalisation thats what ure doing

i think it doesnt have its place in a forum

show some dignity

they used false identities to convince people that those were responsible of 9/11

i think ure like someone i know who only reads what the government has to say

read what other people have proven about those things US government is doing

THEYRE BAD FOR THE WORLD DONT U REALISE IT?

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf How then would you target terrorists entering the country?

My point was extremely clear, and dealt specifically with the issue of profiling a specific race/ethnicity, which would lead to certain individuals belonging to that race and ethnicity to be particularly targeted. Again, for the sake of repeating myself, it's racist and doesn't work. So if you're alluding to the fact that somehow, this particular method is efficient, and therefore should be preserved despite the fact that it's racist, then you support racist measures and you're supporting something that doesn't work. Thus, you're in left field.

If however, the US wants to increase its security across the board, then so be it. I'm not arguing that point. But perhaps, just perhaps, the US would do a much better job at preventing terrorist attacks if it actually took a look at its foreign policy from time to time, and realized that terrorism and its galivanting adventures across the Middle East are somewhat related. But what do I know

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Originally posted by FunKenLouis bro t un gros arabe avec un chandail de foot de lallemagne... avec un gros char americain pis des cameras a 10000 us et plus.... moi jtaurais fais une fouille anale et a nue si javais ete eu jte trusterais pas HAHA

PWNED!

but hey its true.. the U.S. customs are pretty arrogant...

Hello ma'm (to my mom) where are you born..
Morroco
REASON FOR YOUR TRIP MAM! HOW LONG! WHO ARE THESE YOUNG MEN!!! (pointing to me)


pre 9*11 they never asked place of birth... 9*11 fucked shit up

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fuckin' american idiots ShadowWold the xenophobe

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Originally posted by malek oh man, I completely understand. Fucking govt in the states has compltely gone mad. I went for a day to the US and was stopped for one hour at the border, got searched, the car was searched, asked so many questions and personal ones too..... AND I AM CANADIAN. Its unfair. I told my family in the US (seemingly unware of these thigns) that I will never spend any of my tourism dollars in the US ever, unless this crap changes.

man c ben normal,
moi aussi a presque chaque fois que je traverse les douanes en auto, on me fouille et questionne, et souvent plus d'une heure!
c ben normal!!!

moi j'aime mieux ca, au moins eux ils se préocupent de sécurité...

ca l'a rien a voir que tu es arabe d'origine.

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf I understand your frustration, but you have to consider who most of the 9/11 hijackers were. Consider Ziad Jarrah. He was a clean cut upper-middle class professional. He was a German citizen and had a Mercedes. http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/thepilot/story.html Yet he was also a terrorist. So although it's a pain in the ass, I think what the U.S. is doing is totally justified.

Speaking of 9/11, Bin Laden, terrorism, Islam, and racial profiling, check this article out. Further proof that racial profiling is racist, inefficient, and STUPID, especially considering the fact that many Muslims, such as those in the article, have gone out of their way to condemn the atrocities of 9/11. A fawta against Bin Laden, sponsored by nearly 3/4 of sunni sheikhs in Spain, in my opinion, is further proof that Bin Laden and his cronies do NOT represent Islam as a whole, and thus, that this religion or people adhering to this religion should NOT be particularly targeted, simply because they happen to claim allegiance to it.