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Originally posted by ali92 24 weeks?! I was born just before that point! That can't be the absolute youngest a child can be born and still survive. I say lower the time limit to something like 12 weeks.

Sorry i got it the wrong way around....i dont live in the UK.....anyway,politicians are discussing this issue in the UK at the moment.....they are proposing that the time limits for legal abortions be changed......at the moment you can have an abortion in the UK,at any time up to 24 weeks......they are proposing to reduce this time to 20 weeks.....but its still only at discussion stage and no changes are probably going to happen for quite a while...so 24 weeks still stands for now....but having dug a little deeper on the issue,apparently only 1% of the 180,000 abortions carried out in the UK last year,took place between week 20 and week 24.....so are the proposals more acceptable?.....i guess that really depends on your view on abortion.....but i would have thought myself,that a feotus could survive if born at 24 weeks....its 5 months...so it must have a good chance with proper care.....but its not really my call,ive never been in that position to have to make a decision......its a tough one....................................

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Originally posted by zig Sorry i got it the wrong way around....i dont live in the UK.....anyway,politicians are discussing this issue in the UK at the moment.....they are proposing that the time limits for legal abortions be changed......at the moment you can have an abortion in the UK,at any time up to 24 weeks......they are proposing to reduce this time to 20 weeks.....but its still only at discussion stage and no changes are probably going to happen for quite a while...so 24 weeks still stands for now....but having dug a little deeper on the issue,apparently only 1% of the 180,000 abortions carried out in the UK last year,took place between week 20 and week 24.....so are the proposals more acceptable?.....i guess that really depends on your view on abortion.....but i would have thought myself,that a feotus could survive if born at 24 weeks....its 5 months...so it must have a good chance with proper care.....but its not really my call,ive never been in that position to have to make a decision......its a tough one....................................

I still say a legal limit no later than like 10 to 12 weeks, but actual abortion times should really be < 40 days. You never really know for sure, so it's always best to err on the side of caution. Don't let the baby get bigger & bigger...

I agree with what George Smiley said abouot it being a mainly religious matter, but he's wrong about that not being an issue, the percentage of 'religious' people in the UK is increasing at one of the fastest rates in centuries, Christian, Muslim and others included, probably all of which are opposed to abortion

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Originally posted by Pheobius I agree with what George Smiley said abouot it being a mainly religious matter, but he's wrong about that not being an issue, the percentage of 'religious' people in the UK is increasing at one of the fastest rates in centuries, Christian, Muslim and others included, probably all of which are opposed to abortion

If there is no arguments except for religious ones, i see no reason to ban it. I mean the religious people can still choose not to, no one will ever force them to make an abortion.

I'm a Christian myself, so it's a difficult issue, mainly cos on most issues I'm pro choice, but abortion is different. I mean babies born before the current cut-off point in the UK have survived and reached adulthood, and not just a few exceptions, there are plenty of examples, and with increasing technology we'll be able to save babies born earlier and earlier.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew well in 50 years we can probably save a baby without even having a mom, in that case that would make abortion illegal at all times. My point is that even tho you can save someone doesnt mean it is already a human beeing.

The religious types'll be wanting to ban wanking next!!

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Originally posted by George Smiley The religious types'll be wanting to ban wanking next!!

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Originally posted by Pheobius I'm a Christian myself, so it's a difficult issue, mainly cos on most issues I'm pro choice, but abortion is different. I mean babies born before the current cut-off point in the UK have survived and reached adulthood, and not just a few exceptions, there are plenty of examples, and with increasing technology we'll be able to save babies born earlier and earlier.

Like i said before, just because you can save someone, doesnt mean that they are a living human beeing. As smiley says, a sperm is a potential baby, hence we should ban wanking, or wet dreams or whatever, but it just doesnt make sense!

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Like i said before, just because you can save someone, doesnt mean that they are a living human beeing. As smiley says, a sperm is a potential baby, hence we should ban wanking, or wet dreams or whatever, but it just doesnt make sense!

And women should be banned from having periods! And as you can clone a human out of any single human cell, we shouldn't even be able to cut ourselves or bite out nails!!

both sperm and eggs have the potential to become humans only in the eventuallity that they come into contact, a fertilised egg has every chance of being born barring medical stuff etc.

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