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Originally posted by Yoepus Say I'm a christian fundamental terrorist

Funny but not quite right.

google cache of www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/15/1089694491783.html

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Two Mossad spies jailed in New Zealand By Vernon Small and Michael Pelly July 16, 2004 Australia is to step up its investigation of a suspected Israeli spy ring following the imprisonment of two Mossad agents in New Zealand yesterday for passport fraud. One of the jailed spies, Eli Cara, 50, spent a significant amount of time in Australia and a house he used in Turramurra was raided shortly before his arrest in Auckland in March. Australian authorities had been told two other men had slipped the net in New Zealand, but the house was deserted. "It was quite clear that people had left in a fair hurry," a spokesman for the Attorney-General, Philip Ruddock, said last night. He said investigations into suspected Mossad spies on Australian soil were continuing. New Zealand's Prime Minister, Helen Clark, said she would reduce contact with Israel and slated it for its refusal to apologise or explain the actions of the two jailed men. Cara and Uriel Kelman, 31, will be deported to Israel after serving their six-month sentence for attempting to obtain a passport in the name of an Auckland cerebral palsy sufferer. They have also been ordered to pay $50,000 each to a cerebral palsy charity. New Zealand police are still looking for the man who the spies named as the ringleader of their scam, Zev William Barkan. It is not clear if he was one of the men Australian police were looking for in the raid on the house in Turramurra. Justice Judith Potter said it could be assumed a false passport would be used for criminal activity, perhaps "very serious". The court heard that both Cara and Kelman had done compulsory service with the Israeli armed forces, were university educated and active in synagogues and communities. Cara's lawyer, Stuart Grieve, said his client had moved to Australia four years ago after retiring from a career with the air force. He said Cara had a travel business connected to an Israel-based agency promoting eco-tourism in Australia and New Zealand. However, a search of company and title records revealed he had no listed business interests in Sydney. He had travelled to New Zealand 24 times in recent years for business and family holidays. The court heard that Kelman, who studied mathematics and physics, was a tireless voluntary worker who brought joy to the disabled. Mr Grieve said the men and their families would be at risk for the rest of their lives from terrorists targeting anyone connected with Mossad. Miss Clark said the actions of the two men had seriously strained relations with Israel. She said New Zealand would suspend high-level visits from and to Israel. Any request for a visit by the Israeli President, Moshe Katsav, in August, in association with a proposed visit to Australia, would be declined. The case is the first known example of foreign agents appearing in a New Zealand court since the 1985 arrest of the Rainbow Warrior bombers.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Like Yoepus is implying, there does seem to be an avenue of abuse based on the information in the media about it. The next step after rfid passports would be subdermally implanted chips. Even that would be immune to abuse. Only the location of the information stored has passed from being carried in inorganic material to organic. All else would be the same.

That's what I mean. Stuff like this is always rolled out slowly with the illusion of one purpose, but is really just a small phase of a much greater objective. I forget who from Sun Microsystems once said 'You have no privacy; Get over it.', but that's what life seems to be becoming now. One day, there may be no privacy at all.

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Originally posted by Yoepus The fact that your passport has an RFID chip allows anyone with a scanner in the region to find you (to know the RFID chip exists). The person searching will not necessarily know its you, but will know you are a foreigner (who else carries passports), that knowledge alone in and of itself can compromise your security. This gets even more dangerous if RFIDs passport numbers aren't randomized across nationalities - i.e. if someone using an active scan can pick up only American or Swedish nationalities in 100ft radius. Say I'm a christian fundamental terrorist, I am against Swedish people because they have sex with animals. I go to Time Square, wait 10 seconds, find a Swedish man or women, abduct them, and then kill them to make the point that having sex with animals is bad. Ok more likely: Terrorist/Kidnappers wait for a likely target in a third world country. They want a person from a wealthy or politically important country to get their money/political message across. RFIDs make it easy. This becomes increasingly more easy and very dangerous if an individual's identity is disclosed (Say Bill Gates travels to Colombia incognito and forgets to throw away his passport). So perhaps Joe Sweden doesn't care. But anyone with an unpopular nationality or a nice stash in the bank account does. I'm not critizing the system yet - as if individual's data is held in a database, and the code from the RFID that is used to reference that individual's data in the database is randomized across nationalities, there is no vunerability aside from the fact that a guy with an active scanner can know if there are tourist in the neighborhood.

Fair enough except for ONE thing, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ANIMAL SEX

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Originally posted by ali92 One day, there may be no privacy at all.

And that day will be here much sooner than any of us realize. Figuratively speaking, the majority of us sit idly with no care or regards for when that day will come.

Of course, this passivity cannot be totally blamed on the people as a whole - over time, the majority of us have been trained to be this way.

I think weblogger Dave Taylor says it well HERE, when he talks about our "informed populace."

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Originally posted by ali92 One day, there may be no privacy at all.

That day has been here already.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 That day has been here already.

He should've also said that we have no rights either, because that's what's next. :-(

You don't have rights either.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 You don't have rights either.

You have the right to remain silent,
the right to an attorney...

the first article hit in on the head in TOO many words.

why not a fuckin card contact? it means no wifi, no bullshit...oh wait, thats what we have. the US has gotta get closer to the tariffs Russia is collecting to get international visitors or we are boned!! (via visitation price)

unnecessary, and rediculous. at least we arent getting implantations yet|

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Originally posted by Trancer-X You have the right to remain silent, the right to an attorney...

Miranda is not going to keep you from getting charged.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Miranda is not going to keep you from getting charged.

No, but they're still rights.

I'm trying to look on the bright side, don't spoil it for me.