a good technique to use is to:

play a note. play another note. perhaps come up with a progression of notes.

THEN:

flesh said notes out with the chords that feel right. w/e

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i take one scale and experiment with notes from it all way through the tune,i don't even know what chords have with this,is it posible to use other notes than scale?

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OK so..

You choose the key your song is in. Fair enough

Play a melody using the scale derived from that "tonic" note. Got that bit.

but...

Where do the chords come in to it? Obviously if your playing more then one note at a time, you would use the chord for that particular key to determine which keys can be plyed in unison, but how do they apply to the melodic progression of the song?

Does the chord progression determine the scale of notes played? For example... if you progress from an A to a C, does the scale of the notes change from A to C or are you always restricted to using the scale from the key of the tonic note.


Please... no 'there is no spoon' answers either =)

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scales and chords and harmonies are all interrelated.

a chord is basically 3 or more notes. a chord consisting of 2 notes is called an interval. an interval is the root note (tonic) + major 3rd note. a chord is the roote note + major 3rd + perfect 5th (+ successive additional notes in harmony for larger chords such as 7ths, 11ths, 13ths etc)

how does this relate to scales?

take a scale from root C (a Cmaj scale):

C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C

C is the root note
D is the 2nd note of the scale aka major 2nd
E is the 3rd note of the scale aka major 3rd
F is the 4th note aka perfect 4th
G is the 5th note aka perfect 5th
A = major 6th
B = major 7th
C = perfect octave

so in a typical Cmaj scale a C chord would be C, E, G

you can ascend and descend up and down a scale using chords that match the tonic of the root note of the scale. additionally you can play in harmony (5ths, 7ths, 9ths, 11ths, 13ths) and it wont sound messed up.

theres a better, fuller explanation here:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...t=&pagenumber=3

good explanation,but i am still wondering about what you said "using chords that match the tonic of the root note".i don't understand that.in c major scale we have CEG chord,and what other chords can i play? what are chords that match the tonic of the root note?

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pleaase can any of you explain how chords are related to scale,and which chords are avaliable in C major scale.
Can you explain this:
"you can ascend and descend up and down a scale using chords that match the tonic of the root note of the scale."

thanx

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Originally posted by krivi pleaase can any of you explain how chords are related to scale,and which chords are avaliable in C major scale.

ANY chord using ANY three white keys, in C major (or the relative A minor), can be used.

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quote:

Originally posted by krivi pleaase can any of you explain how chords are related to scale,and which chords are avaliable in C major scale. Can you explain this: "you can ascend and descend up and down a scale using chords that match the tonic of the root note of the scale." thanx

I'll have a go, since I'm fairly new to chords too and maybe we can both understand each other in lamens terms.

As far as I can gather, you use the chords as a guide as to best step up or down a scale. You can obviously transition to notes that arnt in a chord otherwise you would be missing out on a lot of the notes in the scale, but I havnt been able to find any 'rules' or 'guidlines' on this exactly (I'm sure there out there though). You just seem to do it when it sounds right or you want to place emphasis on a certain part of the melody progression. It generally sounds appropriate to change the chord every 4 bars or 8 bars or so. So your 16 bar melody might start in the first C chord, repeat the same chord but with a different set of notes. Then go on to the 3rd chord in C and back to the first chord in C. Within those chords is where you construct the melody using the notes specified by the chord.

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thanx guys u undestood,however i never used chords,i just choose a scale and try to layer notes as it best sounds,obviously i would come up with same result if using chords.

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