It sounds like the East Germans don't know what to do with themselves after years of handouts...

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Originally posted by St_Andrew and i agree it would probably be stupid to split up by now!

Why?!

All this "East-Germany is the unneeded burden of West Germany" crap that is recently coming out is all a vast German conspiracy to split up into two nations, double their repersentation, and rule the EU (and hence all of Europe).

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r It sounds like the East Germans don't know what to do with themselves after years of handouts...

No offense or anything, but I visited East Germany as a kid, and WOW, they lived well! They were better off than a lot of Soviet citizens - east was heavily idustrialized, almost everyone had jobs, the economy was strong - East Germany had a moreof "democratic communism" than compared to the Soviet style. They were mroe tolerant and closer to the west than Soviet Union. Same thing for Poland. These two countries had one of the best economic systems in the whole Eastern bloc during the Soviet era. And they were two of the first to declare themselves free of the strong Soviet grip.

So when east germans compare themselves to what they were back then, many of them would say they liked something from that era! Just look at the unemployment rate! Its terrible! Plus the population is sharply decreasing ... there's a reason why easterners are weary of the west

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Originally posted by Magnetonium [COLOR=FF7F50] No offense or anything, but I visited East Germany as a kid, and WOW, they lived well!

Ehm, i have visited east germany a few times after it was reunified with west, and even tho you can see that they have recently tried to renovate more or less a whole country, you still see how huge the differences were!

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They were better off than a lot of Soviet citizens - east was heavily idustrialized

then again sovjet wasnt very well off...

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almost everyone had jobs

didnt everyone have jobs?

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the economy was strong - East Germany had a moreof "democratic communism" than compared to the Soviet style.

east germany had a democratic communism!?!?! wtf?!

anyway gtg, but you got my point

99% of people had jobs ...

I am saying they were better off because they were more democratic and not abusing the system as much as the Soviet government did. Thats why the Soviet economy was collapsing, because of ill-advised economic planning and mismanaged industry. For example, in 1982, there were tens of thousands extra tractors made, and there was a huge shortage in grain, because the production levels were set too low.

East Germans were very good at economic planning, and some of the reasons they went into depression is that they not only lost much of their business after separation from the eastern bloc, but the merging of the two Germanies displaced and changed the whole east german industry, and to date they are having problems getting back to their pre-89 levels of production.

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If you read the origional starter article it auctually says...24% of West Germans and only 12% of East Germans want the wall back....so it seems to me the East Germans are pretty happy....alot happier than the West Germans who are paying for the reunification...

Anyway now that the German government have gotten the rules rewritten on the European economic growth and stability pact to include the costs of reunification going back 15 years....alot more Germans will be happy.........

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Originally posted by Magnetonium the merging of the two Germanies displaced and changed the whole east german industry, and to date they are having problems getting back to their pre-89 levels of production.

Yes, and those damn bastards stopped producing the beautiful Wartburg!!

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AW yes a thing of beauty indeed.....it reminds me of a scaled down version of the Humvee...the American must have car....and who says the east europeans arnt origional...but you cant beat the Trabant...no matter what anybody says......

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Originally posted by zig AW yes a thing of beauty indeed.....it reminds me of a scaled down version of the Humvee...the American must have car....and who says the east europeans arnt origional...but you cant beat the Trabant...no matter what anybody says......

Yeah, after all, it can't rust!

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there will always be a wall... physically or mentally. fact is that under communism, east germans were treated like animals.
still today east germans and west germans might get along but there is always this east-west mind war.
russians abused and raped east germany by its recources.
with the fall of the wall the west was opened to all the small and poor countries in the east. even though the majority in the east had jobs, you can certainly not compare them with good paying jobs in the west. if the east would have been that way, there would not be millions of euro wasted on restoring the east countries.
the fall of the wall only united the rich west with the poor east to balance the whole society out on the West's cost.
no offense...but besides prostitution, drugs and mafia business, there was no productive plus from the russians or all the ex communist or mid east countries. no matter what the positive facts are, they dont measure up the downfall of the west.

and about the euro... more than 80 percent of germans voted againt the new currency. it wasnt a democratic questioning of the people but treated more like a poll with no political effect.