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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
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Needless to say, I think this report was nothing shy of a whitewash for Bush and the neocons who pushed for this war. For them to come out and state that there was absolutely no influence on the CIA to shift or conflate evidence to go to war, when we've clearly seen CIA officers come out and state just that, and furthermore when it actually wasn't the duty of this particular part of the report to actually investigate such influences, is nothing shy of absurd. As Froomkin writes about Isikof's column in Newsweek:

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Michael Isikoff writes in Newsweek, reminding readers of a Feb. 4, 2003, e-mail made public by last year's Senate panel on intelligence in which a senior CIA official sharply rebuked an analyst who had expressed skepticism about the reliability of a key informant.

"Keep in mind the fact that this war's going to happen regardless of what Curve Ball said or didn't say and that the Powers That Be probably aren't terribly interested in whether Curve Ball knows what he's talking about," the CIA official wrote.

So Isikoff asked Silberman why the e-mail wasn't even mentioned in the report, which concluded that "No analytical judgments were changed in response to political pressure."

Writes Isikoff: "'What e-mail are you talking about?' Judge Lawrence Silberman, the chairman, testily responded. . . . 'I'm mystified.' Two hours later, after Newsweek supplied the panel with a copy of the e-mail from the Senate report, a commission spokesman explained that the panel was aware of it but chose not to include it because its contents were already known. But its absence from the report raises questions of whether the Silberman panel may have 'cherry-picked' evidence to exclude anything politically embarrassing to the 'Powers That Be.' Not so, says the White House. A senior official says the report lays to rest any notion that the administration lied or falsified intelligence."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...ion/whbriefing/


IOW, the Commission report on WMD is nothing shy of a White House wet dream - blaming everyone and anyone without putting any blame on Bush and his neocon's influence. Hersh's "Stovepipe" article is a must read on this subject:

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?031027fa_fact

But again, it wasn't the duty of this particular Commission to report on that, nevertheless they somehow felt it necessary to do so without actually examining any evidence (and somehow coming to that very conclusion). Actually that is the duty of Sen. Roberts and the Senate Intelligence Committee to do that, but Roberts deferred the job to this Committee, whom as I just mentioned is NOT examining the White House's role in the matter.

I fucking hate my Kansas Senator. Fucking douchebag.

But what I find most interesting about our reliance on a particular piece of intelligence of interest is this "Curveball" guy, who has such tremendous credibility qualities like being a cousin of Ahmed Chalabi and an alcoholic:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/inte...1451138,00.html

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsA...URVEBALL-DC.XML


But it is interesting to note how his lies got effectively passed down and taken as gospel through our intelligence, or more specifically through the Office of Special Plans created by Douglas Feith. Again, read Hersh's piece if you haven't already. I might also suggest this good summary:

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=5423

The timing of this all around the hoopla with Schiavo is a bit interesting. Just got swept right under the rug.....


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ogvh5150
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Terri's death put this CIA stuff under the rug. But when all along this WMD intelligence is just blaming the CIA as if they acted alone. Articles or not, there is a complicity by all concerned in the intelligence community.

And if anyone thinks the CIA acted alone on this WMDS issue*, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.




*For lack of a better word considering the death toll over bad intelligence.


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Originally posted by ogvh5150
Before the War:

Archived: Oil from Iraq: An Israeli pipedream?
How Western greed created Hussein's Iraq
Israeli Intel given to US:



Exclusive: Saddam key in early CIA plot
The Devil in the Details: The CIA and Saddam Hussein
How the CIA put the Baath in power
CIA report finds no Zarqawi-Saddam link
(1998) Officials: Iran Messages About Anti-Saddam Plot Led to FBI Probe of CIA



After the War:

1500+ Dead GI's click
15,000+ Dead civilians click

0 Weapons of Mass Destruction
Official: U.S. calls off search for Iraqi WMDs(Jan 2005)
CIAs final report: No WMD found in Iraq(Apr 2005)
Iraq WMD Hunt 'Has Been Exhausted'(Apr 2005)
U.S. study: Iraq likely didn't ship WMD to Syria(Apr 2005)
US closes book on Iraq WMD hunt(Apr 2005)

All warfare is based on deception
Sun Tzu

The more you read and learn, the less your adversary will know
Sun Tzu

Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave
Frederick Douglass

All the worlds a stage.
Shakespeare


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