Col: Exactly the way you feel now I started to feel 1.5 years ago.
I started to listen to ASOT ever since the first episode in 2001.
It was my favourite show and it was a great source for buying new records. So many good tunes were played. But one year ago the show changed and you could clearly notice that a majority of the tunes sounded like if they were made in 10 mins.
The show I once loved had became a two hour pop-show which played nearly identical tunes.
Where are all cool tunes like Beatpusher - Rokki?

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My new oldskool TRANCE mix!

first off, there is nothing that any one person can do to please everyone. it's impossible. ASOT will please some, yet it will turn off others. although i'm an AvB/ASOT addict , everything from 100-180 has been pretty blah...though from time to time there are a few gems.

personally i think ASOT would be so much better if it was monthly, rather than weekly.

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Mike Shiver & Elevation feat. Carrie Skipper - Hurricane (Mike Shiver Mix)
Mark Otten - Tranquility
Introvert - 5am Illusions (Original Mix)
Orchid - Technicolour
Jiva - My Dream (Original Mix)
Mindscope - Awake

Theirs more to Trance than ASOT, and more to Trance than the 3 vocal progressive tracks you mentioned in the initial statement. I hope you dont think thats a representation of Trance now, because it is not.

Progressive influences have been around for a long time now, and with some help from major labels, the 3 tracks you mentioned are famous.

Armins show does not represent the wider Trance scene. I find it baffling sometimes. He plays what he likes in order to entertain anyone who likes to listen to him. He doesnt have to abide by any standards or rules.

Im finding so many flaws in your arguements

one ive noticed right away

"Spot on! That's what I mean about "tougher", if ASOT had more stuff like Martin Roth's Orange Theme and Signum's First Strike remake (both tracks he played at global), then I'd like it more. It's just painful knowing that something like 'Airbiscuit - Lately (Riley & Durrant Mix)' would have sounded SO out of place in his Global set, but it's probably the kind of thing he'll be playing this year..."

Please check past ASOTs, you will find that he has played them in his Radio Show.

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Originally posted by Fresh Prince However many many more people like the tunes you hate, that's why ASOT is where it is, at the top. It's simple as that. Armin as head of ASOT is very capable of deciding which tunes work, and he plays many of the new tunes each week.

Yes, and ASOT being "at the top" gives it a very dangerous power. ASOT has made artists like G&D and Moor/White INTO top producers. If Armin had played something else, you would've just followed him and said it was cool, and you wouldn't even know those guys' names. That's my point - ASOT is massively influential, and it's not doing enough to keep things breeding nicely.

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In 1 post you managed to spit on many of the producers, songs and label which I like. In the end I will be completely opposite from you, and tell you I hate the fu**ing examples you suggested as "good trance", no thanks man.

Woah, woah. Sorry.

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And please, have you even been to Armin's gig lately ? It's euphoric even if he'd play polka ffs., let alone trance.

With that, you've basically proven the points made above - yeah, if Armin played polka you WOULD probably like it. I bet you'd like anything he plays. It's not about the music with you, is it?


One problem with ASOT is that Armin forms alliances. He sticks firmly to certain artists/labels and plays all their music, regardless of it's quality. I think he's a great guy and a great DJ, I just wish he'd show it. He knows what records are cool, but he chooses not to play them because he'd rather play productions from guys he's allied with, so that everyone goes "omg i die, new andy moor production".

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Originally posted by Col but I find it impossible to accept, reading the ASOT 190 tracklist thread, how people come away from listening to the show with comments like "OMG! AMAZING SHOW!! ARMIN #1!!" Do they really really REALLY hold that opinion?

Well DUH !
No I'm sure they're only doing it to piss you off right.
Good work mate, you do not only talk shit about ASOT, but about TA members aswell.
And that's something I can't accept.
You don't like Armin/ASOT, fine.
But you better get down to earth and let people enjoy what they enjoy, or there's just gonna be another flame war here.

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Originally posted by swisstoni_uk Im finding so many flaws in your arguements one ive noticed right away "Spot on! That's what I mean about "tougher", if ASOT had more stuff like Martin Roth's Orange Theme and Signum's First Strike remake (both tracks he played at global), then I'd like it more. It's just painful knowing that something like 'Airbiscuit - Lately (Riley & Durrant Mix)' would have sounded SO out of place in his Global set, but it's probably the kind of thing he'll be playing this year..." Please check past ASOTs, you will find that he has played them in his Radio Show.

Yeah, he sure did. But I'm talking about the recent sets here, I've already made it clear that I love ASOT, and I'm even a collector.

You listened to ASOT 190 tonight, you were in #armind, I saw you. And the stuff he played was nothing like either of those two tracks, they would have been completely out of place. And is that because trance has gone from 'First Strike' to 'Around You' in a 6 month period? No, it's because the show is on the decline.

it always turns into an anti-ASOT thread anyway.

Its his own show. he plays what he likes or wants, and nothing else, he may play the odd request i imagine, or use the airtime to whore a new label release, as do all Radio DJ's.

He is not accountable for any "demise" in trance, he does not have to play what you like or want, he does not have to stick to rules or laws made by anyone on here.

He is not holding a gun to producers heads and telling them to produce shit.

Get off his back for once.

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Originally posted by Col One problem with ASOT is that Armin forms alliances. He sticks firmly to certain artists/labels and plays all their music, regardless of it's quality.

That is what the English call 'Selling Out'

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Originally posted by swisstoni_uk it always turns into an anti-ASOT thread anyway. Its his own show. he plays what he likes or wants, and nothing else, he may play the odd request i imagine, or use the airtime to whore a new label release, as do all Radio DJ's. He is not accountable for any "demise" in trance, he does not have to play what you like or want, he does not have to stick to rules or laws made by anyone on here. He is not holding a gun to producers heads and telling them to produce shit. Get off his back for once.

How come everyone who speaks against ASOT automatically has an invalidated opinion, whilst those who support the show count?

We have as much right to speak our mind on the issue as you guys do.

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Originally posted by swisstoni_uk Get off his back for once.

Off his back "for once"?

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Okay, now my dedication to Armin's show has been made clear, perhaps you'll credit my argument as being more than the words of another "anti-ASOT" flamer. I don't dislike Armin, I don't dislike his show. I'm simply voicing my worry that I believe the show is becoming more boring, and I am voicing this AS A FAN and not as someone trying to bring him down.

I want the show to improve, that's all.

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Originally posted by Col Yeah, he sure did. But I'm talking about the recent sets here, I've already made it clear that I love ASOT, and I'm even a collector. You listened to ASOT 190 tonight, you were in #armind, I saw you. And the stuff he played was nothing like either of those two tracks, they would have been completely out of place. And is that because trance has gone from 'First Strike' to 'Around You' in a 6 month period? No, it's because the show is on the decline.

Im guessing here that you prefer the more Euphoric trance, the typical hands in the air at 2am stuff, higher than 137bpm? Trance is more than that though.

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Originally posted by Col ASOT has made artists like G&D and Moor/White INTO top producers. If Armin had played something else, you would've just followed him and said it was cool, and you wouldn't even know those guys' names. That's my point - ASOT is massively influential, and it's not doing enough to keep things breeding nicely.

To be honest personally I don't care much about artists themselves, again all respect to any artist, but I enjoy their songs until I get fed up with them and that's about it.
It's the DJ who constantly plays new sets, that I like.
Get it?

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Originally posted by Col With that, you've basically proven the points made above - yeah, if Armin played polka you WOULD probably like it. I bet you'd like anything he plays. It's not about the music with you, is it?

No I would not like polka, what I meant to say is, that with the trance you don't seem to like, and which Armin plays he still manages to make a great party. I wonder how

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Originally posted by Col One problem with ASOT is that Armin forms alliances. He sticks firmly to certain artists/labels and plays all their music, regardless of it's quality. He knows what records are cool, but he chooses not to play them because he'd rather play productions from guys he's allied with, so that everyone goes "omg i die, new andy moor production".

Again another "Armin doesn't play what he wants" comment.
While he infact does play a lot of various labels and white labels, that you should only read them to know he's not only "supporting" one label ie. Armada.