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Originally posted by 00soups00 personally, i think whilst sasha' dj skillz/sets might be better the G&D sound is much better and eventually with the right exposure, be enjoyed by more people then the sasha/diggers sound.. obviously this is open to different opinion..

Hheheheheheh

'right exposure' meaning the use of a good marketing team? G&D are pretty shite. Sure their sound may end up being enjoyed more than that of Sash&Digs, but then again its not going anywhere (musically)

dude how in the fucking world can you ever compare gabriella and drysdale with his godliness sasha

1) list the best ever g&d track
2) next, compare that to the likes of belfunk or xpander.

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Originally posted by 00soups00 i love this.. G&D vs. S&D Melbourne vs. Sydney.. personally, i think whilst sasha' dj skillz/sets might be better the G&D sound is much better and eventually with the right exposure, be enjoyed by more people then the sasha/diggers sound.. obviously this is open to different opinion..

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everyones got one...

just that mine is different to yours

i love Xpanda...

but i also love many many many G&D productions

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Originally posted by DaveBegic dude how in the fucking world can you ever compare gabriella and drysdale with his godliness sasha 1) list the best ever g&d track 2) next, compare that to the likes of belfunk or xpander.

are you kidding?

don't get me wrong, i've been a massive sasha fan for the past decade, but seriously...

belfunk is little more than an involver-style remix of orbital's belfast and, to be honest, the original is more of a 'masterpiece' in my mind. belfunk was good in its time, but hardly the end-all and be-all of remixes, let alone productions.

xpander is a reasonably decent track that is rather poorly produced and engineered. it lacks properly detailed bottom end (and in fact a whole swath is missing in the 100-250hz range thru most of the track, almost as if it was half finished) and, much like some of underworld's tracks, its length and structure seems to miss the 'leave them wanting more' point that makes so many 'hit' EDM tracks work. the 'novelty' of the oberheim xpander riff around which the track is based may be 'ooh ahh' to some, but its just an xpander. they make those sounds, quite easily. sasha 'discovered' the xpander more than a decade after vince clark, trent reznor, alan wilder and the rest of the 80s synth explorers had turned it inside out and got the exact same fifty-oscillator sound out of it.

is xpander good music? yes, for sure, absolutely. the standard by which all other EDM should be judged? that's a tougher call. if sasha had built or even modified the xpander (the way richard james, autechre, or the kling klang boys do, for example), instead of just twiddling a couple knobs, then i'd be more inclined to put it up on that pedestal.

ten years ago, sasha and digweed were just two reasonably-decent DJs who got on well, and poured their talent into a fruitful collaboration. how is that any different to what G&D are doing now?

obviously, this discussion is rather silly because it suggests that there is truly objectively 'good' music in the first place. i'm inclined to think otherwise - and to have very little patience for people who conflate 'i don't like that song/artist' with 'that song/artist is shit'.

you may not like G&D, but by most quasi-objective measures for EDM artists, they are certainly not shit - and, at least from where i see it, they're not in too different a space than sasha and digweed were ten years ago - bringing what's been hiding underground for some time into the light. it all depends on what you see as underground and what you see as mainstream.

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Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem G&D sound is more 'accessible' (ie commercially viable) than sasha's (then or now),

dude just coz justin timberlake or usher may one day sell more records than michael jackson, it don't necessarily make em better.

btw, this debate is pointless without specifics of what is being compared.

hell their styles are so different, it's like comparing apples to oranges anyway.

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Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem how are they totally incomparable? obviously talking G&D now to S&D 'then' (ie the early renaissance days). are you suggesting G&D are not pushing EDM forward? (big call) or that they can't beatmatch well? (listen to diggers' early 90s live mixes, whoops) or what? not having a go, just not neccesarily convinced that G&D are useless twats doing nothing while sasha and diggers make the world go round. oh and you spelt admit wrong.

yeah sorry was really late at night which explains the spelling mistake.

They are totally incomparable, G&D predominantly produce vocal EDM for a more commericial based market, while Sasha and Digweed, have continued to push the scene at a purely underground level! as dj's also, how can you even begin to say there are similarities between Sasha and Digweed's almost 10 year reign at the top of EDM music, while G&D are nowhere near being classified as the number 1 dj's within America let alone the world. Northern exposure, Renaissance, Twilos, countless classic essential mixes........ what the hell have G&D contributed for someone to even begin mentioning them in the same breath?
































A BIG FAT NOTHING

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i say break up G&D, let them do their own thing for 10 years and then bring em back together.

Sasha and Digweed are individual powerhouses in their own right. G&D are a duo.

Let's see how they do apart.

Can Dresden without his other half pull the same crowds as Diggers without Sasha? and vice versa.

Not going to bother going into production. I think that's been covered in Sid's post.

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does it look like im kidding fuckhead?

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Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem are you kidding?

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK dude just coz justin timberlake or usher may one day sell more records than michael jackson, it don't necessarily make em better. btw, this debate is pointless without specifics of what is being compared. hell their styles are so different, it's like comparing apples to oranges anyway.

i didn't say better.

i said more accessible.

commercially viable doesn't mean better. it just means more commercially viable. don't put words in my mouth.

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Originally posted by S_madis They are totally incomparable, G&D predominantly produce vocal EDM for a more commericial based market, while Sasha and Digweed, have continued to push the scene at a purely underground level! as dj's also, how can you even begin to say there are similarities between Sasha and Digweed's almost 10 year reign at the top of EDM music, while G&D are nowhere near being classified as the number 1 dj's within America let alone the world. Northern exposure, Renaissance, Twilos, countless classic essential mixes........ what the hell have G&D contributed for someone to even begin mentioning them in the same breath?

Sasha and Diggers underground? come on.

also, I have maintained NOT that S&D and G&D are at an equal place now - obviously they're not. What I have said is that it is quite possible that we are looking at the beginning of a ten year reign by G&D, much as ten years ago we were looking at a ten year reign by S&D.

i remember watching and listening to sasha and digweed ten years ago, and seeing their place in the EDM scene, and how their productions/material/live sets/etc were taken at the time - they were viewed as serious steps towards mainstream commercialisation of the scene. do you remember the massive uproar over sasha's 'selling out' with xpander when it was sold to sony to use on a video game soundtrack (wipeout xl for the original playstation) nearly ten years ago? or the kafuffle over northern exposure's distribution and repackaging to suit 'the man' corporate american record labels? massive, wholesale corporate whoring, folks said at the time.

yet now we like to look back at S&D with this 'theyve always been underground' rose-coloured lens, while calling G&D the exact same things S&D were being called in 96-97.

i am now seeing with G&d what i consider to be something similar to what s&d went thru in the mid 90s. you can disagree if you want, but i'd appreciate it if you understood what i'm saying (in short - g&d now seems a lot like s&d then, at least to me) before shooting it down.

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I am almost 100% sure that Sean Quinn played Acradia at summadayze (if not it was someone else).. and damn did it rock !! chooooon !

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you managed to do two things:

1. remove the focus off the download my mix guy.
2. draw mr dresden to the oz forums. g'day dave

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