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quddha
the procrastinat0r

Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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I've tried vinyl, cds, and mp3's..
to say that any of these doesn't require skill is ignorant. except maybe using auto-bpm match when mixing mp3's, but even then it still takes SOME mixing knowledge to drop the beat at the right time and in the right place...
in some ways, vinyl is easier than cd's, i guess they just require DIFFERENT skills..
Anyways, I have invested my money in the vinyl route, only because of access to new songs. I can go into a record store, or browse online, and get new songs easier on vinyl than on cd or mp3.
but that's only because the ontario government was kind enough to give me $9600 OSAP loan, and UofT an extra $450 grant.. otherwise i wouldn't be able to afford it. 
But respect to ppl who mix with whatever, cuz its all about the music.
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Nov-23-2001 06:12
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trintiy
Supreme tranceaddict

Registered: Feb 2001
Location: MD.......Missing England :(
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Quddah, You should look up the meaning of ignorant: 1 a : destitute of knowledge or education; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence.
If you would have read my post completely, you would have noticed that I've dj'ed with CDs mixers before and on numerous occasions, so what I said was not an ignorant statement, it was just an opinion that is different to yours! And as I've stated already the true art behing djing is queueing, i.e "being able to drop the 1st beat of the 1st bar on the 1st beat of the 1st bar of the song your mixing into. This is the skill involved in Djing as most of you who dj with vinyl know already, if you push to hard you jump over the first beat, to soft you lag behing. In cd mixing it's an instant start-up cue. There is some skill involved in using the pitch controls on either Turntable or Cds to beat-match a song but not as much as people make it out to be, that is simply training your ear to distinguish which song is playing fast or slow and making minor adjustments.
Droping the beat at the right time in the bars so songs tend to flow without interuption is not skill, that's all down to talent and understanding how sounds relate to one another, and IMO is something you really can't teach. Talent is either something you have or you don't.
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Nov-23-2001 13:21
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Pjotr G
Mindcrawler

Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Netherlands
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| quote: | Originally posted by trintiy
If you would have read my post completely, you would have noticed that I've dj'ed with CDs mixers before and on numerous occasions, so what I said was not an ignorant statement, it was just an opinion that is different to yours! And as I've stated already the true art behing djing is queueing, i.e "being able to drop the 1st beat of the 1st bar on the 1st beat of the 1st bar of the song your mixing into. This is the skill involved in Djing as most of you who dj with vinyl know already, if you push to hard you jump over the first beat, to soft you lag behing. In cd mixing it's an instant start-up cue. There is some skill involved in using the pitch controls on either Turntable or Cds to beat-match a song but not as much as people make it out to be, that is simply training your ear to distinguish which song is playing fast or slow and making minor adjustments.
Droping the beat at the right time in the bars so songs tend to flow without interuption is not skill, that's all down to talent and understanding how sounds relate to one another, and IMO is something you really can't teach. Talent is either something you have or you don't. |
Well have to disagree with ya on that one. I don't know any DJ who puts the crossfader in the middle and then gives the incoming record a push. No, you drop it on the beat in your headphone. And then it rarely is exactly on the beat, so you either give it some pushes or hold it back a little until it is actually on the beat, and then you can start your actual mix. CD mixing still requires beatmatching skill. Anyways I LOVE vinyl no CD-decks could EVER replace that for me, I don't really care what does it for any of you. 
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Nov-23-2001 14:16
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Tony Morello
The Renegade Master

Registered: Apr 2001
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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i never said CDJ's sucked... i totally agree with the fact that it does take skill to mix CD's, different skills, but still skill... i'm just saying to bandit that if he wants in for the long haul and this is not just a phase, then go with vinyl... now as for TTs... i can remember who posted this, but he/she said that if you're going the route of vinyl, then buy your vinyl and save up for the tech 1200's, cause if you wind up paying for a 'cheaper' deck, you just keep buying vinyl (and don't say you won't, it's like crack, you need it) you'll just keep spending your cash on vinyl and not saving up for the tech 12's when you grow tired of your 'cheaper' decks
as for a mixer... EQ for each channel, and heaphone cueing slectivity are the main things you want to look for... go to a local store and check a few out, you can most likely ask to try them out as well... see what suits you...
one last thing... never give up
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Nov-23-2001 16:34
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