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Originally posted by holycow24 actually, i disagree. record stores never did it for me in the 90s. it was only after i got a computer & audio players (before mp3, i used real audio, heh) that i really was able to find the stuff i love... a lot of it isn't even released in the US, or if it is, is easier to find on vinyl than CD - and i didn't have a record player till about a year ago. there are so many artists and songs i would never have known about if it weren't for file sharing, and since discovering them i've either supported them by going to a concert (which makes the artist WAY more money than CD sales, by the way) or by buying a CD/record/etc. also, it's easy to find stuff in big cities like NYC, yes. but in farmland south jersey, all we had were places like sam goody. their EDM section sucked. i do think it's better to discover stuff through your friends than p2p networks tho.... i have had better success that way. i also think the RIAA and the laws are wrong. it's so stupid to prosecute these people for sharing mp3s, just like it's so stupid to sue people for using samples of other people's music in their own. up until recordings came along, composers used to quote each other all the time in their music. ever since the recording industry became an industry, the US laws have gotten tighter and tighter just so people can suck as much money out of each other as possible. ick. just because it's the law doesn't make it right. personally, i think we should try to change the crazy copyright laws. i'm hoping to someday have enough money, power, and clear cut sketches of better-formed laws to do that. Rachel

I lived in jupiter FL. In the late 90's i used to drive 40min to the nearest dance record store... Excuses for stealing music are exactly that excuses...

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Originally posted by Highmay you know it's illegal, you know it's not right, you know organizations are out to get the biggest violators...but when it's one of your buddies who just happens to get caught and singled out, it's all bullshit... grow the fuck up, kid...

For once i agree with captain highshit!!!

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Originally posted by fr0st I lived in jupiter FL. In the late 90's i used to drive 40min to the nearest dance record store... Excuses for stealing music are exactly that excuses...

that's great... I just got my license in september. i didn't have that option, sir.

as i said earlier, i think there's nothing wrong with sharing mp3s, just as there's nothing wrong with burning copies of CDs for friends, or making mix tapes, or taping off the radio, etc. etc... there are lots of ways that people have been getting free music for a long time. the only reason mp3s were singled out as "illegal" is because of the magnitude of the sharing. the law is what makes it stealing, and the law is what needs to be changed.

anyway... i hate arguing about things, so i'm probably not going to participate in this thread any longer. i just wanted to present my opinion.

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EDM shot themselves in the foot in the USA with sucky marketing and high prices.

I can get 1 hip hop vinyl for $5 but a domestic house vinyl is still $10? WTF is that shit? Luckily I got an internship with Yoshitoshi and will understand things like that.

But really though, with beatport and other online sites out there, there is really no excuse to be downloading illegal music anymore. I think youd find more luck finding a track online and buying it rather than searching for it on a p2p network. If EDM labels and artists want to get a better grip the market, they really need to utilize online mp3 shops. As far as sharing and downloading the mainstream stuff u hear on the radio. . ..

SHAME ON YOU. You can easily buy it online, music stores, and hear it on the radio.

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Originally posted by Greedy EDM shot themselves in the foot in the USA with sucky marketing and high prices. I can get 1 hip hop vinyl for $5 but a domestic house vinyl is still $10? WTF is that shit? Luckily I got an internship with Yoshitoshi and will understand things like that. But really though, with beatport and other online sites out there, there is really no excuse to be downloading illegal music anymore. I think youd find more luck finding a track online and buying it rather than searching for it on a p2p network. If EDM labels and artists want to get a better grip the market, they really need to utilize online mp3 shops. As far as sharing and downloading the mainstream stuff u hear on the radio. . .. SHAME ON YOU. You can easily buy it online, music stores, and hear it on the radio.

Well i worked a record store for bout a year or so... And domestic records were 6 bucks.... I think yoshi is pulling a fast one... Satilite here in NYC over charges aswell...

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Originally posted by fr0st you must steal a lot of music...

it's all about buying non-RIAA CDs from independent artists

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"stealing music"


Oh no 50 cent goes bankrupt because of these dang college illegal mp3 downloader thieves.

I think the RIAA should punish the groups who crack, distribute, steal , etc etc not people who download it thats just stupid.

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I've dl'd tons of music - happily. Fork the RIAA. This crusade against mp3's is rediculous. Need I remind many of you that Tranceaddict itself used to post songs and live sets on a very regular basis...
I have closets full of vinyl and cd's (supporting the artists) from stuff I've found by going to shows (supporting the artists), looking up tracklists, dl'ing the songs to make sure it's what I wanted, then buying it. (If I don't like it, I don't buy it - kinda reminds me of a car; if it's a piece of crap when you test drive it, you don't feel obligated to buy it because you drove it) Unfortunately, my office doesn't have the free space for the stacks of albums and cds. Thus, I keep the songs on my computer so that I can trance away my pencil-pushing days... I can find nothing wrong with that.
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Originally posted by fr0st Well im against mp3's for one thing... People did just fine 30 years ago, going to a record store to discover new music.. Soo the line of shit people give "I wouldnt have discovered edm" is bullshit... And i think the riaa has full rights to prosecute people who break agreements or steal music. And in the end its not the top people who are hurt but the artist and the fans...

sure thing mate...

Here's some fact to put with the fiction:
http://firstmonday.org/issues/issue10_4/geist/

Interesting editorial:
http://www.theregister.com/2004/09/...active_keynote/

a nice new law:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/21/p2p_is_murder/

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Since involuntary manslaughter brings, on average, anywhere from 0 to 36 months' incarceration, one might well question the morality of going harder on those who trade files than on those who negligently cut short the lives of fellow citizens. But the 109th Congress is about nothing if not morality, and it understands well the essential sacredness of the nation's ruling cartels.

ps.: yes i know i am retarded for arguing on the internet...

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Originally posted by drizzt81 sure thing mate... Here's some fact to put with the fiction: http://firstmonday.org/issues/issue10_4/geist/ Interesting editorial: http://www.theregister.com/2004/09/...active_keynote/ a nice new law: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/21/p2p_is_murder/ ps.: yes i know i am retarded for arguing on the internet...

Im not even gonna bother... What do i know from working everyday with music and being a artist myself.... There is no point in arguing. But when the only decent artist we have left quit making unique music because there is no money in it the only ones you can blame are your selves... Again i said its not the pop stars who suffer its the independant artist who live from paycheck to paycheck. Gig to gig.. When was the last time you turned on a radio station that played new and innovative music?


And im not your mate.

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