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svens_bath
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i agree its a demeaning cartoon, but what i take from it is that its not a case that pakistan doesnt have a mind of its own, more that it is acting as america's pet..fully capable to do what it wants, but instead obeying america, like a pet, able to wither obey or disobey would.

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George Smiley
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Opinions are not a prerequisite to aptitude.

However if you must know, it's quite obvious (my 'opinion' of course) that the artist doesn't believe that Pakistan has a mind of it's own.
It's very demeaning actually and I can totally understand Pakistan's outrage.

I thought your earlier comment was aimed at me?

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I thought your earlier comment was aimed at me?


I don't tend to jump at peoples' jugulars unless they're really out of line (and even then they'd have to be a complete neomort).
No worries, everyone here for the most part are cool.


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tamk
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according to the cartoonist the uproar is a misunderstanding due to a cultural gap, according to him dogs are a man's best friend:

'Cultural gap'

Cartoonist Bill Garner told Pakistan's Dawn newspaper that he never intended to offend the Pakistani nation.

"It is a cultural gap, a cultural misunderstanding that caused the uproar.

"The symbol to me was that of friendship," he was reported as saying. "There is a saying in English that a dog is a man's best friend."

"There has always been a great friendship with animals, especially dogs, in America".

Mr Garner said that the cartoon was meant to depict "the spirit of goodwill and friendship that exists between the two countries".

He said the reaction to his cartoon was entirely different from what he had expected.

But in Pakistan, the cartoon controversy combined with the issue of desecration of the Muslim holy book at Gauntanamo Bay to trigger a fiery session in the parliament focussed on Pakistan's cooperation with the US.

Some legislators called for a complete review of Pakistan's alliance with the US.

Leader of the opposition Maulana Fazlur Rehman said Pakistan had gone to humiliating lengths to cooperate with the US.

"We want to be friends with the US, but we want friendship not a master-slave relationship," he said.

Cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan said that Pakistan should deny the US the use of its bases.

"East is east and West is west, and never the twain shall meet," sighed the Washington Times in an editorial on 10 May in response to the uproar in Pakistan.

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Would that be Bill Garner, the biggest bull shitter this side of the Great Wall of China by any chance?!

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