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Q5echo
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Dallas

Hey Krysta, did Opus mention the tired Democratic talking point of the Gonzalez/Owens "actvist judge" accusation? yeah he did

it's a lie. don't fall for it.
...and if he propagates that as truth then you must question his real motives behind the rest of the fear and smear campaign that he and the rest of his ilk propagate here and throughout main stream media. i know i do. god bless.

Old Post May-24-2005 06:17  United States
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ShadoWolf
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Re: Re: The filibuster issue

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
...and not just American politics either.
Our own Canadian parliment is having this very issue with the opposition pressing (and rightly so) for an immediate vote of confidence of the ruling party (the Liberals).
In a nutshell the Liberals got caught with their hands in the cookie jar with lots of (metaphorical) pictures and (realistic) damning court testamony.
A LOT of taxpayer money was pocketed and doled out for favours.



It's even worse in Canada...

At least in the U.S., the Senate reviews judicial (and other) appointees...

In Canada, the PM ALONE appoints judges.. not just Supreme Court justices, but also lower level provincial judges! There's absolutely no review of the appointees by Parliament, or even an independant board. It's a dictatorship.

To make things worse, the Lieberals have appointed dangerous, radical judges... such as Rosalie Abella.


AND even worse, they've been appointing party hacks!! This could turn out to be a major scandal.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=259972

http://andrewcoyne.com/2005/04/judgescam.php


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occrider
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Registered: Oct 2000
Location: New York

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
Hey Krysta, did Opus mention the tired Democratic talking point of the Gonzalez/Owens "actvist judge" accusation? yeah he did

it's a lie. don't fall for it.
...and if he propagates that as truth then you must question his real motives behind the rest of the fear and smear campaign that he and the rest of his ilk propagate here and throughout main stream media. i know i do. god bless.


Well why don't you elaborate on aforementioned falsity so we can all become learned on said "lie"es? This is Gonzalez's complete statement, please point out the misrepresentation:

quote:

The dissenting opinions suggest that the exceptions to the general rule of notification should be very rare and require a high standard of proof. I respectfully submit that these are policy decisions for the Legislature. And I find nothing in this statute to directly show that the Legislature intended such a narrow construction. As the Court demonstrates, the Legislature certainly could have written section 33.033(i) to make it harder to bypass a parent's right to be involved in decisions affecting their daughters. See ___ S.W.3d at ___. But it did not. Likewise, parts of the statute's legislative history directly contradict the suggestion that the Legislature intended bypasses to be very rare. See id. at ___ (detailing legislative history). Thus, to construe the Parental Notification Act so narrowly as to eliminate bypasses, or to create hurdles that simply are not to be found in the words of the statute, would be an unconscionable act of judicial activism. As a judge, I hold the rights of parents to protect and guide the education, safety, health, and development of their children as one of the most important rights in our society. But I cannot rewrite the statute to make parental rights absolute, or virtually absolute, particularly when, as here, the Legislature has elected not to do so. The Court said in Doe 1(I) that a minor must make at least three showings before she may exercise the bypass rights the Legislature gave "mature and sufficiently well informed" minors under section 33.003(i). In re Doe 1(I), ___ S.W.3d ___ (Tex. 2000). These showings are to ensure that the minor can demonstrate the level of maturity and knowledge the Legislature seems to have intended when it passed a statute that primarily protects parental rights, but also confers judicial bypass rights to certain minors. Based on the evidence of Doe's maturity and knowledge, I conclude the limitations upon parental rights in section 33.003(i) apply here. Therefore, I am compelled to grant Doe's application.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2.../sc/000224c.htm


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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
Hey Krysta, did Opus mention the tired Democratic talking point of the Gonzalez/Owens "actvist judge" accusation? yeah he did

it's a lie. don't fall for it.
...and if he propagates that as truth then you must question his real motives behind the rest of the fear and smear campaign that he and the rest of his ilk propagate here and throughout main stream media. i know i do. god bless.



I gotta admit - in my old age I tend to be a bit slower on catching folks here being a bit facetious at times. For now I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and consider your remark a bit of sarcasm about me lying.

But I gotta ask - "fear and smear campaign"? What am I running for office or something here? Please tell me you're just being goofy or something. Please?




Edit: BTW, shouldn't you be on your military tour by now? If not, when are you leaving?


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MisterOpus1
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Oh yeah, I wrote a diary over at Daily Kos on this so-called compromise here, in case you want to read my opinion on the matter:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/24/0541/15763

In a nutshell, I think the Dems. got the raw end of the deal, despite what the Republican pundits were crying about. Whether this agreement was reached because Reid didn't have enough votes or whether it was reached because Reid felt like he has enough votes to turn 1 or more of the 3 nominees down in the full Senate - honestly I don't know but I guess we'll wait and see. I'm more inclined to think that in the end he didn't have enough votes to keep the filibuster, which really sucks that he didn't go through with this regardless.

And I gotta agree with Tony Snow whom I often listen to in the mornings (the sheer anger wakes me up out better than coffee) - this isn't over by a long shot. This is just the beginning. The real showdown is coming for the Supreme Court nominee(s). Worth keeping an eye on for the future.


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wolverine16
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Chicago, USA

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
Hey Krysta, did Opus mention the tired Democratic talking point of the Gonzalez/Owens "actvist judge" accusation? yeah he did

it's a lie. don't fall for it.
...and if he propagates that as truth then you must question his real motives behind the rest of the fear and smear campaign that he and the rest of his ilk propagate here and throughout main stream media. i know i do. god bless.


Oh, please! Since when are you non-partisan? Especially considering what you just said is a REPUBLICAN TALKING POINT!

Note that the article claims that Gonzalez was really referring to another judge on the court, but if you look at the statement word for word, as Occrider posted, and consider Owens wrote the dissenting opinion herself outlining the items criticized for not being included in the law, how is Opus wrong and furthermore how would that not be considered activism if she was adding to what the law actually said?

The usual "you're just jealous because you lost the election" response will hardly discount the facts.


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wolverine16
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Chicago, USA

And this should be the nail in the coffin:

From Owen's dissenting opinion (linked in the previous post):

quote:


IV

The Court says that "judges' personal views may inspire inflammatory and irresponsible rhetoric" and that the "highly-charged nature [of abortion issues] does not excuse judges who impose their own personal convictions into what must be a strictly legal inquiry." __ S.W.3d at __. To which judge or judges does the Court refer? To the judge of the trial court, who saw and heard Doe testify in person during the course of two hearings and made findings that are supported by the record? To the three justices on the court of appeals who reviewed the record and wrote a thoughtful opinion that cannot be characterized as inflammatory or as containing irresponsible rhetoric? To one or more of the justices on this Court?


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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

Welp, the best judge corporate money can buy, the most ardent anti-choice, and a very judicial activist judge got in, as to be expected really (56-43):

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05...nees/index.html

What a dumb bitch. But what really surprises me was Byrd voting in favor of her nomination? That had to be an under-the-table deal with the filibuster compromise. Oh well. Frist is now calling for cloture on the Bolton nomination. I'm guessing this piece of shit will likely squeak by with the help of a "moderate" Dem. or two (I'll bet the house that Lieberman is one of them).

Business as usual for the Dems. - no unity, no backbone.


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