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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, brashy does make some good points. If you look at American history and foreighn policy, it's nothing to write home about. For example, just to mention a few: 1. The natives basically being masaccred and their land stolen. 2. Slavery. 3. Civil War (over slavery, now that's very civilized). 4. Foreighn policy in the Middle East and Latin America. The list goes on.

well, im not gonna give props to most atrocities across the globe, but 'natives' were being masaccred[sic] long before the US existed. slavery amongst blacks and non-blacks existed before the colonies of Americas, civil war is an ancient and very human phenomenon. (i certainly am not an animal behavioralist, as otherwise there likely could be some justified explanations in regard to interspecies conflict)

and, just as the US and Western countries have their own foreign policy, so does every nation, group, et al in existance. the US is just cannon fodder for the world now that its not a polar, cold war era world any longer.

that being said, most actions are inecusable. but we arent operating in a vaccuum here|

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z That's just your imagination. Pretty typicaly american cliche that is comletely false.

I'm pretty sure it's not, given the amount of "Why doesn't America do more" commentary that is prevalent all over the place.

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Originally posted by Shakka I'm pretty sure it's not, given the amount of "Why doesn't America do more" commentary that is prevalent all over the place.

Can you please give me a concrete example of a situation where the world has cried out for US military intervention. I can only think of Rwanda-like scenarios, and in those cases the outcry has been directed towards UN intervention rather than US.

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Originally posted by Shakka I'm pretty sure it's not, given the amount of "Why doesn't America do more" commentary that is prevalent all over the place.

Maybe in the West, definetly not in the middle east and other parts of Asia.

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Originally posted by trancaholic Can you please give me a concrete example of a situation where the world has cried out for US military intervention. I can only think of Rwanda-like scenarios, and in those cases the outcry has been directed towards UN intervention rather than US.

Hmm lets think...
Georgia, Ukraine, Poland, UK, France, Israel, Palestine, Egypt, Syria, Jorda, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, Iraq, South Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Hiati, Somalia, Balkans... nah can't come up with any

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Originally posted by Yoepus Hmm lets think... Georgia, Ukraine, Poland, UK, France, Israel, Palestine, Egypt, Syria, Jorda, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, Iraq, South Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Hiati, Somalia, Balkans... nah can't come up with any

LOL!
Amazing how selective arguements get when trying to make a point huh?

What is wrong with the U.S. helping countries that WANT help??
The U.S. has an obligation to the world when it is asked and everyone else called it, "Imperialism".
Whatever...

trancaholic:
Name a country that the U.S. has annexed due to it's "Imperialism".
I'll give you a hint...it's real close to 0...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r What is wrong with the U.S. helping countries that WANT help?? The U.S. has an obligation to the world when it is asked and everyone else called it, "Imperialism". Whatever...

The problem is apparently that they would like to have their cake and eat it too, i.e. they want to be able to dictate the terms of the aid they receive. i.e. make the U.S. their personal bitch until they get what they want, then stab the U.S. in the back when all is done and remind the world how much they hated the U.S. in the first place. Thanks. Did my back hurt your knife?

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Originally posted by Shakka The problem is apparently that they would like to have their cake and eat it too, i.e. they want to be able to dictate the terms of the aid they receive. i.e. make the U.S. their personal bitch until they get what they want, then stab the U.S. in the back when all is done and remind the world how much they hated the U.S. in the first place. Thanks. Did my back hurt your knife?

I guess they must figure that the U.S. would just go in there for free, with a pat on the back, if not just use them for their own purposes like a rent-an-army.

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Originally posted by Shakka I'm pretty sure it's not, given the amount of "Why doesn't America do more" commentary that is prevalent all over the place.

Perhaps you should consult other news sources, especially from foreign countries. You would be indeed surprised by the amount of brainwashing you have been exposed to by now.

+ thanks all for your opinions
+ thanks shaolin for yr support

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Originally posted by brashy Perhaps you should consult other news sources, especially from foreign countries. You would be indeed surprised by the amount of brainwashing you have been exposed to by now. + thanks all for your opinions + thanks shaolin for yr support

Would you provide me with some examples before you call me brainwashed?

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Originally posted by Shakka Would you provide me with some examples before you call me brainwashed?

I didn't call you brainwashed. What I said was the it is necesarry to hear many different opinions in order to get the big picture.

For example, young French and German people have started to resent the American political influences over Europe. The French Constitution case is classic (see thread), since it tends to replace traditional French laws and values so as to comply with new reglementations supported by Americans. In former Eastern Germany the young communist meetings are frequent; even disregarding these radicals, young people feel that the country's economic system is not working as it should (see high taxes, unemployment). Thus they pledge on concentrating on intern europen reforms, and not on political deals with America.

And at the same time, they are continuously thankful to have U.S. military bases there and they'd probably make a lot of noise if the U.S. were to evacuate those bases since they would lose a blanket of protection that has been given to them at a cost to American taxpayers.

Borrowing from Nathan Jessup...

"And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because but deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post."

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