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Originally posted by George Smiley Yea was gonna mention that. I've recently been doing some readin on neoconservatism and in my opinion, when the oil is gone, they will still advocate spreading democracy there and stickin up for Israel. However, when the oil is gone, all that is left is ideological reasons to keep interfering there (which suits the neocons but not the traditional cons). I think when that happens the traditional conservatives will get more of a voice which could affect things. Of course, support for Israel is almost part of American culture and democrats and neocons would both be able to use that support to stay with Israel (and promote democracy in the Middle East)

Hmm you make it sound like promoting democracy in the middle east is a bad thing.

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Yea, fission materials aren't infinite either, but they will last a bit longer than fossil fuels, probably some 300 or so years. Hopefully that will give us enough time to reserach on effective thermonuclear fusion reactors.

Anyway, George, we do have a lot of sun and water, but they really aren't giving us as much electricity as we need. So while they do make a relatively good supplement to current energy production facilities, they can never be stand-alone producers of electricity. Unless we build huge accumulation lakes all over the world, but then their impact on the environment is not really negligible either.

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China, however, seems to be going to water as a primary energy source.

China is still very active in building dams today. ”At least 90 dams over 60 meters are under construction, including the Three Gorges dam on the Yangtze (175m).”(1) The three gorges damn, which is scheduled to be completed in 2009 will generate 18.2 gigawatts each year. (3)

Even with the approximately 85,000 dams in the country, China is only using 12% of its hydropower resources. In some developed countries between 50 and 90% of available hydropower locations are utilized. (2) This gives hydropower a bright future in China. The country can continue to expand its hydroelectric production, while countries like the United States have used up most of the good locations for hydropower plants and are unable increase their hydropower production. “Hydropower is expected to represent 27 percent of the country’s power generation capacity by 2005, a 3.5 percent rise from the current level.” (2)

1. Global Dam Statistics-China:Global Dam Statistics

2. State Eyes Hydropower to Relieve Pollution

3. China: Environmental Issues-US Energy Information Agency

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Originally posted by Yoepus Hmm you make it sound like promoting democracy in the middle east is a bad thing.

Its not a bad thing but there are bad ways of going about it...

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Originally posted by kush paintings China, however, seems to be going to water as a primary energy source. China is still very active in building dams today. ”At least 90 dams over 60 meters are under construction, including the Three Gorges dam on the Yangtze (175m).”(1) The three gorges damn, which is scheduled to be completed in 2009 will generate 18.2 gigawatts each year. (3) Even with the approximately 85,000 dams in the country, China is only using 12% of its hydropower resources. In some developed countries between 50 and 90% of available hydropower locations are utilized. (2) This gives hydropower a bright future in China. The country can continue to expand its hydroelectric production, while countries like the United States have used up most of the good locations for hydropower plants and are unable increase their hydropower production. “Hydropower is expected to represent 27 percent of the country’s power generation capacity by 2005, a 3.5 percent rise from the current level.” (2) 1. Global Dam Statistics-China:Global Dam Statistics 2. State Eyes Hydropower to Relieve Pollution 3. China: Environmental Issues-US Energy Information Agency

Grr, my post got deleted so I'll put it shortly this time. Anyway, yes, hydro is a good energy source, but it usually can't supply 100% of a country's demand for energy. Aside from that, to build 3 gorges dam, China had to relocate some 3 million people, including a town of 1 million, and then flooded the whole region, sinking towns and some archeological finds deep beneath the lake.

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Originally posted by kush paintings The three gorges damn, which is scheduled to be completed in 2009 will generate 18.2 gigawatts each year. (3)

Something's not right with that. Watt = Joule per second. So it' either 18.2 GJ per year, which, at first sight, seems plausible. Either it's working at 18.2 GW, every moment. That seems impossible to me, as modern nuclear reactors produce about 1GW.

edit, WOW, it is 18.2GW, f*ck me, that dam equals 18 nuclear reactors

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Originally posted by Belgian Bonzai Something's not right with that. Watt = Joule per second. So it' either 18.2 GJ per year, which, at first sight, seems plausible. Either it's working at 18.2 GW, every moment. That seems impossible to me, as modern nuclear reactors produce about 1GW. edit, WOW, it is 18.2GW, f*ck me, that dam equals 18 nuclear reactors

Well, yeah, they wouldn't relocate 3 million people if they could have just built a single nuclear reactor instead

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Originally posted by Belgian Bonzai ^makes sense

Yup, the thing is huge. I read that the lake that is/will be created by the Three Georges dam will actually shift the rotation of the earth by about .001 degrees or so due to the gravitational pull of the massive amount of water.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Three Georges dam will actually shift the rotation of the earth by about .001 degrees or so due to the gravitational pull of the massive amount of water.

Where is that statistic from?

Does anyone have any good (credible) projections for depletion of middle east oil?

can't wait for my electric Camry...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubbert_peak - article on Hubart Peak theory

http://uk.dir.yahoo.com/Science/Ene...oleum/Peak_Oil/ - yahoo! catagory "peak oil"

http://economics.about.com/cs/macro..._out_of_oil.htm - not to worry, this article says we'll never run out of oil! (altho he kinds of 'cheats' by saying as oil gets more sparce, the price will rise meaning the higher it gets the less people will be able to afford it! ie supply/demand theory)