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Originally posted by d-miurge les français sont des gros cons bordel de merde !

Trop des enculé J'suis vraiment pas content la. J'ai sérieusement envie de me cassé d'ici.

L'autre jour j'ai vus des photocopies d'une affichette qui disait ' l'Alsace 60 ans sans guerre ne changons pas ça. Votez oui à l'Europe ! "

J'avais sérieusement envie de chialé car c'est tellement vrai. Les français se rende pas du tout compte de leur action avec ceci.

Why don't the other 24 members just ratify it and kick France out?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew cause when he said he wanted a referendum the "yes" side was in a strong lead, and he thought that it would look good to have a referendum. Not a very smart decision imo.

so what were the main reasons people were voting no?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew You know what the ppl of denmark think? You think its going to be a yes or a no?

I think it will be a yes. The last polls talk about nearly 50% yes and 35% no. We did our rebellion back in 92/93.

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Originally posted by josh4 Why don't the other 24 members just ratify it and kick France out?

Maybe we will. When Denmark was dragging its feet, the rest wanted to continue without us, that *should* translate into everybody moving along without France. But then again, the 3% inflation rule has demonstrated that clearly there's equal and more equal in the EU.

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Originally posted by josh4 Why don't the other 24 members just ratify it and kick France out?

well, first of all, thats assuming all the other countries ratifies it, which is not very likely. the Uk and holland is widely excpected to vote no too. That was kinda more expected tho (at least the UK one), but france is one of the founders of the EU, and supposedly very EU friendly. So this is a big crisis for the union. But yeah, i hope the union goes on without france if all the other countries ratifies it.

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so what were the main reasons people were voting no?

well, i think the two main problems were that they wanted to protest the domestic government, and they thought it was to economicly liberal (liberal in the european sense, not american, ie that it was too conservative in your sense ).

The later one is not really true at all, since the consitution really just take current economic treaties, and put them into one treaty, and also add some new social stuff (like that we should have a sustainable growth etc). and the french doesnt seem to realise that their social system simply doesnt work... and the first one is obviously very wrong too. A tragic day...

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Originally posted by trancaholic I think it will be a yes. The last polls talk about nearly 50% yes and 35% no. We did our rebellion back in 92/93.

thats good, hopefully you wont do another france, ie turn the opinion towards no as you get closer to the election....

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Originally posted by St_Andrew the Uk and holland is widely excpected to vote no too. That was kinda more expected tho (at least the UK one),

Being a sucker for disappointments, I'm already setting myself up for new ones now: Maybe all the talk about how a French "no" would mean the death to the constitution, will affect Dutch no-voters, so that they don't show up. Figuring that their show of resistance isn't as important anymore? Hah? Sounds good, right? Further, the Brits hate the French and basically see the EU as some sort of French imperialism. Maybe if the forces of "yes" in the UK play on this new situation, perhaps helped along by a quick and clear cutting off of France by the EU, they can sway the opinions of Mr & Mrs Illiterate? Yeah, I think I'm really on to something here.

so would you guys say this will just delay the process or is more serious in that it is unlikely there will ever be any sort of unified system in Europe

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Originally posted by trancaholic Being a sucker for disappointments, I'm already setting myself up for new ones now: Maybe all the talk about how a French "no" would mean the death to the constitution, will affect Dutch no-voters, so that they don't show up. Figuring that their show of resistance isn't as important anymore? Hah? Sounds good, right? Further, the Brits hate the French and basically see the EU as some sort of French imperialism. Maybe if the forces of "yes" in the UK play on this new situation, perhaps helped along by a quick and clear cutting off of France by the EU, they can sway the opinions of Mr & Mrs Illiterate? Yeah, I think I'm really on to something here.

actually i was thinking along the same lines, at least for the UK. Many of the arguments in france was that it was too liberal too, something most UK ppl wouldnt mind in the same way. And i rather see a EU without france than without the UK. Perhaps we could get rid of CAP then...

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Just so you know, i dont seriously think that there will ever be a EU without france, but who knows...

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If the UK votes no, wouldnt that be proof for the french ppl that this is not an "anglo saxian" constitution? Also Poland is going to vote for the constitution, and a yes is expected, perhaps a strong yes there makes the french affraid of loosing their role as the leading "power" in the EU? Much can happen...

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Originally posted by josh4 so would you guys say this will just delay the process or is more serious in that it is unlikely there will ever be any sort of unified system in Europe

id say it will only delay the process. the other countries will probably wait for a french yes, and it will happen, eventually. this is not a new situation for the EU, and our long tradition of slow unefficient negoations will pay off in the end

Im pretty sure that within 5 years (probably sooner) the constitution will be in place.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew If i understand it right, here are the official results: http://www.radiofrance.fr/reportage...5/resultats.php Look at the difference between mainland france and its territories (at least i believe thats the difference)... pretty interesting!

Interesting results.. Even though i cant read French and understand where any of the places are, i can gather that all but one of the colonies voted strongly for "yes" while Paris itself voted yes too.

It seems to me that France has the 'country-hick' syndrome that the USA has problems with. Anyone that has any connection to the outside world, (whether it be physically overseas or just dealing with the international community on a regular basis) always seem to be pro-change.

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Originally posted by Dupz Interesting results.. Even though i cant read French and understand where any of the places are, i can gather that all but one of the colonies voted strongly for "yes" while Paris itself voted yes too. It seems to me that France has the 'country-hick' syndrome that the USA has problems with. Anyone that has any connection to the outside world, (whether it be physically overseas or just dealing with the international community on a regular basis) always seem to be pro-change.

Yes, it seems that most countries have this syndrome, esp the one about big cities/densly populated areas, they are always a lot more pro change. Its interesting, i wounder if its only because there are more business ppl in big cities, with contact with the rest of the world?

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Originally posted by trancaholic Being a sucker for disappointments, I'm already setting myself up for new ones now: Maybe all the talk about how a French "no" would mean the death to the constitution, will affect Dutch no-voters, so that they don't show up. Figuring that their show of resistance isn't as important anymore? Hah? Sounds good, right? Further, the Brits hate the French and basically see the EU as some sort of French imperialism. Maybe if the forces of "yes" in the UK play on this new situation, perhaps helped along by a quick and clear cutting off of France by the EU, they can sway the opinions of Mr & Mrs Illiterate? Yeah, I think I'm really on to something here.

Another interesting scenario would be if hollands turnout simply were bellow the 30% that the dutch government have said is needed to make the vote valid. This is kinda likely, since france now voted no already, and it might seem like there is no real need to go out and vote for the dutch ppl.