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Funkyfun
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Registered: May 2004
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Good move but if they are even thinking of dominating the PC/Laptop Market, they need to revamp MAC OS.....

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VERTiG0
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: no longer Cambridge, Ontario, Canada

Hey, I posted this thread before this one... My news wasn't a real article but taken from a blog of a guy at the show.


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Good move but if they are even thinking of dominating the PC/Laptop Market, they need to revamp MAC OS.....


No, they just need to make everything cheaper. OSX is so much more intuitive and nicer to use, I find. However, after toying around on a dual G5 with 1.5GB RAM a while back, I found it lacking in everyday desktop performance compared to my Athlon64 3200+/1GB PC3200DDR setup.

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Surreal JRS
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http://apple.slashdot.org/article.p...8&tid=179&tid=3


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Surreal JRS
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Oh and Intel does NOT necessarily mean x86. Even if they do use x86, I'm sure it will be specialized hardware. Apple does not want to try and be like Windows supporting a zillion different hardware configs. Things are just supposed to work under OSX.


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malek
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Originally posted by SurrJRS
Oh and Intel does NOT necessarily mean x86. Even if they do use x86, I'm sure it will be specialized hardware. Apple does not want to try and be like Windows supporting a zillion different hardware configs. Things are just supposed to work under OSX.


actually it does mean x86, but not the same bus/architecture as other PCs (different motherboards)...

but how long will that last before people start modding OSX to run on regular brown boxes


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tvmann
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I think Apple wanted more performance and a cooler running chip than the G5 because their big market is in notebooks and the G5 ran too hot to go in a notebook. Also sometimes IBM could not deliver enough PowerPC chips of certain types and that was a problem.

All the Intel chips within a couple of years are going to be Centrino types - fast but not much heat and that's what Apple wants. Plus it lowers the cost so Mac computers will be closer to Wintel in price.

One of my friends just got a 12" iBook and I must say it is really well-designed. He set his iBook next to my Toshiba/Wintel notebook, both have wi-fi, and within 2 minutes our Mac guru buddy had them networking and transferring files. It's not all graphic user-interface stuff too, they have text-line command interfaces for many systems if that's what you want.

All of my friends who are not computer jocks have a real mess with their Wintel boxes - loaded with viruses, spyware, becoming slow and buggy - these are the people that need a Mac! I am in the Wintel world and have no problems but I'm more of a techy.

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Surreal JRS
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quote:
Originally posted by malek
actually it does mean x86, but not the same bus/architecture as other PCs (different motherboards)...


Probably something based off of the EPIC/IA-64 architecture, such as the Itanium 2.

It does however have an IA-32 execution layer, which means you can run legacy 32bit x86 code.

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but how long will that last before people start modding OSX to run on regular brown boxes


Doubtful with a x86 CISC based processor. But I suppose one can wish that OSX would be in direct competition with Micro$haft Winblows.


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malek
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quote:
Originally posted by SurrJRS
Probably something based off of the EPIC/IA-64 architecture, such as the Itanium 2.

It does however have an IA-32 execution layer, which means you can run legacy 32bit x86 code.



Doubtful with a x86 CISC based processor. But I suppose one can wish that OSX would be in direct competition with Micro$haft Winblows.


I don't know about you... but this couldn't be clearer than this:

(read below)

Apple CEO promises two-year Intel conversion
By Gavin Clarke in San Francisco
Published Monday 6th June 2005 20:41 GMT
Steve Jobs has committed Apple Computer to an aggressive timetable for porting the Mac architecture to Intel, while promising a smooth transition for developers and ISVs already building applications and services for PowerPC machines.

Apple will roll out Intel-based Macs during the next two years with machines available by next June and a phased introduction to be "mostly" complete by the end of 2007. Apple announced the rollout at the World Wide Developer Conference (WWDC) in San Francisco on Monday.

For the Intel-phobes out there, and there were quite a few judging by the anxious shuffling and mutterings from the assembled WWDC audience, Jobs pledged Apple will continue developing PowerPC-based Macs during the transition.

The future, though, is clearly Intel because Apple apparently wants to capitalize on a high-performance, low-power consumption architecture that will enable it to finally deliver on the 3GHz PowerMac - promised to arrive last year by Jobs but still missing. By mid-2006, Intel will have about five times the performance per watt of IBM, Apple's chief said.

"The most important reasons [for adopting Intel] are... as we look ahead we can envision some amazing products for you, and we can't imagine how we will get there building them with the PowerPC chipset," Jobs said. That future also includes the next version of Apple's OS X, codenamed Leopard, and due in either 2006 or 2007, in time to take-on Microsoft's Longhorn client.

Cementing the message, Intel president and CEO Paul Otellini joined Jobs on stage to shake on the companies' alliance and put years of niggling rivalry behind them.

"There's a whole bunch of you who never thought you'd see that logo [Intel] on this stage. I was one!" Otellini remarked, before slipping into corporate speak: "We are excited to work with Apple to bring you some really great products."

But don't worry Mac fans, it won't be a case of PowerPC cold turkey. OS X can already compile to Intel, Jobs told WWDC. To prove his point, he demonstrated the Tiger operating system running multiple desktop widgets, and opened Microsoft Office and Adobe System's documents, all on top of an Intel Pentium 4 3.6GHz system. Jobs said OS X already "sings" on Intel.

Jobs also unveiled Xcode 2.1, letting developers build applications for either Intel or PowerPC using the same tools and universal binaries from a single CD.

"We are going to support both processors for a long time because you will have [an] install base on PowerPC you want to see use applications, and will have a growing customer base on Intel you will want to sell your applications to," Jobs said.

ISVs, meanwhile, can tweak applications in Apple's Cocoa and Carbon C/C++ environments in a matter of days or weeks; however, those using Metrowerks are advised to go Xcode 2.1 to access those universal binaries.

For the tweak challenged, Jobs unveiled Rosetta - a dynamic bin translator that runs PowerPC binaries on Intel. "It's nothing like Classic... It's transparent, where users don't know [it's there]. It's lightweight and fast," Jobs said.

Importantly, Apple has drawn support from two influential software partners. Microsoft's Mac business manager Roz Ho promised binaries for future versions of Office for Mac running on Intel, while Adobe chief executive Bruce Chizen pledged to be the first ISV with a complete line of applications for Mac on Intel.

To encourage developers to switch from PowerPC to Intel, Apple is offering a $999 Developer Transition Kit with 3.6GHz Pentium 4 hardware, OS X 10.4.1, pre-release of XCode 2.1 universal binaries for its premium-level developers. ®


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/06/jobs_intel/


so we have OSX on x86 and a new version ready to take on the next Windows... people will have a real choice.


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Surreal JRS
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quote:
Originally posted by malek


I guess I should RTFA before I post!


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amb_
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Thank you, malek, for cutting through the hype.

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rabbitjoker
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This is unbelievable.

Fuck I love progress.


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ShadoWolf
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forgive my ignorance, but how would OSX run on CISC-based processors?


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