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Originally posted by Deam Because, I am referring to what the song was originally recorded in. It's one thing if the song is pitched up or down minorly to match the mix, but a 10BPM difference is not subtle. A song that used to be house played at 15BPM higher, in my opinion, would not be a "house" song, as the BPM is part of the genre. As well, a trance song played at 120BPM wouldn't really be "trance" either, again, in my opinion. However, are you denying the notion that BPM and tempo can be indicative of genre? If so, then there is nothing really left to talk about. But in ASOT, Armin plays slower tunes, tunes which have not just been slowed down 5-10 BPMs, but are being played at their original speed. We may all have preconcieved notions of what a genre is, so it's hard to really discuss. But since Armin himself says he plays progressive too, it's really moot.

BPM is one thing to help label what genre the song is, but it is not needed. So there is nothing left to talk about.

So if you get a song in its original form, and it is 110 BPM, you would still consider it trance? Or a song at 160BPM house?

Yes. Slow trance or fast house. Or else what the fuck would it be?

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Take at look at this link:

BPM description

It seems to say what I am trying to say, maybe in a more succinct and clear manner. The relevant quote:

"the chart above shows, music genres are generally confined to a specific BPM range. For example, a house track would not be considered "house" (in the traditional sense) if it had a tempo of 70 BPM. Likewise, a hip hop track would not be considered "hip hop" (again, in the traditional sense) if its BPM was pitched up to 140 BPM."

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Originally posted by Deam Take at look at this link: BPM description It seems to say what I am trying to say, maybe in a more succinct and clear manner. The relevant quote: "the chart above shows, music genres are generally confined to a specific BPM range. For example, a house track would not be considered "house" (in the traditional sense) if it had a tempo of 70 BPM. Likewise, a hip hop track would not be considered "hip hop" (again, in the traditional sense) if its BPM was pitched up to 140 BPM."

well where is progressive then?

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Why are you so concerned with genres? Who gives a damn what genre armin or any other dj plays...progressive, trance, even house. As long as they do their job and make you dance, it doesn't matter. When I buy vinyls, I pick from a wide variety of genres (trance, prog. trance, tech trance, prog, prog house). I think some people get hung up on this "genre" thing too much.

There is no need to get agressive. I was curious for my own personal knowledge, since I foudn that while listening to ASOT, several of the tracks being played to not fit in with what I consider trance. The reason I was curious is because I didn't think that slower tracks would be considered trance, as opposed to progressive house, etc, and wanted to know others opinions. However, I was then told that BPM really doesn't define the genre, even though again, I was under the impression that BPM can be a key factor in determining genre and style.

I don't think this "As long as they do their job and make you dance, it doesn't matter." is really answering my question.

Classical music has a variety of styles, and people who enjoy classical music like to know the time period, style, origins, etc, simply because that is part of the enjoyment they get from the music. Just because the music makes me dance doesn't mean I no longer need to have an interest in genre and style. I simply would like to know to get a better understanding of the music. It's minutiae, but interesting nevertheless.

My friend, you'd probably have had a hell of a time trying to figure it out when trance was first starting, and the BPM range of a typical trance compilation would go from perhaps 60 to 160 or even higher. The difference there is they were compilations, not DJ mixes, and therefore unconstrained by a slim BPM range to create a decent flow. Of course, the term was much more broad then as well, so some stuff that might get called ambient or techno or hardcore today still got called trance (aah, such simpler times).

BPM can be a determining factor for some genres (like hardcore) but, most of the time it isn't. It's the general presentation (sounds, rhythm patterns, atmosphere) that defines a track.

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Originally posted by Sykonee aah, such simpler times

Indeed. I remember a time when there were only two terms in use here in Iceland for EDM (back in 91 or 92). Everything was either hardcore or softcore (the dj's knew better though, of course).

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Originally posted by Deam Take at look at this link: BPM description It seems to say what I am trying to say, maybe in a more succinct and clear manner. The relevant quote: "the chart above shows, music genres are generally confined to a specific BPM range. For example, a house track would not be considered "house" (in the traditional sense) if it had a tempo of 70 BPM. Likewise, a hip hop track would not be considered "hip hop" (again, in the traditional sense) if its BPM was pitched up to 140 BPM."

Not everything you read on the Internet is true. What you're suggesting is that if you sped house up it changes genre. To what? What sounds exactly like house, but is faster? House! It's ridiculous to think that speeding up a track changes its fundamental genre.

The point of that link, is that genres focus on certain BPM ranges. These tempos are what time has shown to be the best BPM for each genre, so producers tend to stick within them. So if you find a track that is 160BPM, chances are it isn't house, but just because it's 160BPM doesn't force it to be a different genre.

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> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Not everything you read on the Internet is true. What you're suggesting is that if you sped house up it changes genre. To what? What sounds exactly like house, but is faster? House! It's ridiculous to think that speeding up a track changes its fundamental genre. The point of that link, is that genres focus on certain BPM ranges. These tempos are what time has shown to be the best BPM for each genre, so producers tend to stick within them. So if you find a track that is 160BPM, chances are it isn't house, but just because it's 160BPM doesn't force it to be a different genre.

I just have to say that I agree with this view. Most genres are about a feeling and I don't see how a feeling would change just because you simply speed up or slow down a track. A happy song is a happy song no matter what the tempo is.