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Originally posted by fayraree Unless you're lactose-intolerant

Yeah that blows...I don't know how that ever happened...(in humanity i mean...we all need milk...) and i feel bad for you guys cause you're missing on so much good stuff

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Originally posted by naesean3 I have been hearing about this - I think they are realizing that certain types of soy products - fermented vs non fermented is the problem......the Asian culture has had a steady diet of a certain type of soy product (fermented).....the ones we are eating in North America - is of course yet again not the proper sources.......There are some redeeming qualities to soy, however these are found primarily in fermented soy products like tempeh, miso and natto and soybean sprouts. If you want to get some health benefits from soy, stick to these four forms and pass up the processed soy milks, soy 'burgers', soy 'ice cream', soy 'cheese', and the myriad of other soy junk foods that are so readily disguised as health foods.

true dat...whole foods > processed foods.

also keep in mind that many processed food sources (and powerdered supplements) may not contain the myraid of known and unknown natural compounds found in whole founds. We STILL don't even understand how they all work, let alone are able to identify them.

The studies are conflicting on the exact benefits and risks associated with substantial soy intake...but everything I've read has essentially suggested that, in moderation, it's fine, but that soy should not be your only/primary source of protein, especially for infants and growing children where the effects on estrogen levels can be quite severe.

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Originally posted by starsearcher Yeah that blows...I don't know how that ever happened...(in humanity i mean...we all need milk...) and i feel bad for you guys cause you're missing on so much good stuff

Thank the good Lord (Armin) that I'm not, but my cousin is...poor guy can't enjoy an ice-cold glass of milk after his chocolate cake or large bowl of Cinnamon Toast Crunch with some creamy 3.25% milk...

^^^ I wouldn't eat any of that anyway...processed cereals filled with refined sugar is hardly a good breakfast...and milk itself is not even that "good" for you (that's not to say it's that "bad" either).

We are the only species on earth who consume another animal's milk...and further, to consume milk at all during adulthood. Doesn't that strike anyone as bizarre and perhaps unnecesary???

Milk is often fortified (i.e. has vitamins/minerals added to it), just like white bread...because it's not actually that "good" for you on it's own...and all of the nutrients found in milk can be found elsewhere in natural sources, like brocolli, which provide many other health benefits NOT found in milk.

a quick source of info:

http://www.veg.ca/issues/dairy.html

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Originally posted by MarkT ^^^ I wouldn't eat any of that anyway...processed cereals filled with refined sugar is hardly a good breakfast...and milk itself is not even that "good" for you (that's not to say it's that "bad" either). We are the only species on earth who consume another animal's milk...and further, to consume milk at all during adulthood. Doesn't that strike anyone as bizarre and perhaps unnecesary??? Milk is often fortified (i.e. has vitamins/minerals added to it), just like white bread...because it's not actually that "good" for you on it's own...and all of the nutrients found in milk can be found elsewhere in natural sources, like brocolli, which provide many other health benefits NOT found in milk. a quick source of info: http://www.veg.ca/issues/dairy.html

Well sure but without milk we won't have ice cream, yoghurt, any dairy products at all, CHEESE (mmmmm yummy) and so much more ...besides it gives you lots of proteins and calciums and....well yeah...broccoly's disgusting on its own...ew ...milk please! (and none of that bulshit with additives...the normal 2-3% please)

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Vegans do it for health reasons and then are the first to ask you if you want to smoke a joint or do a line... I dont get it! LOL

Oh wow that sounds like my girlfriend hahahah. The reason she doesn't eat meat is that she loves animals and doesn't wanna eat them, and yet she's a chain smoker and she pops pills like crazy, hah! Oh well, i still love her though. So i guess i'll tell her to keep drinking plenty of soy milk haha. Better than using condoms haha

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