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Originally posted by kush paintings Yes, America wants liars.

Oh my goodness. Are you all that brainwashed? We all know that 3/4 of the promises that politicians make when they are running for office will never happen. But we buy into it. We buy into it because it's what we want to hear. We want to believe that this next President is going to bring about the best change and do all the things we've been hoping for, but chances are he/she probably won't.

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Yes, but most lies don't get American soldiers killed.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Yes, but most lies don't get American soldiers killed.

Because there have never been mislead wars, right? Because soilders haven't gone overseas for a war that wasn't ours before, right? Because soilders have never died for a cause that wasn't just before, right?

You think I'm for this war? I'm not. You think I'm okay with the fact that my best friends are getting shipped off for months a time only to have bombs blow up in their face? I'm not. You think I am happy Bush got re-elected? I'm not, I think this country is filled with a bunch of fucking morons.

But face the facts.

This grand old country, re-elected Bush. Keep that in mind when you're bitching about the this bullshit administration that we have going on right now.

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ I HATE the Bush administration. How could America vote him back in, especially when polls show the war in Iraq is less and less supported.

Sounds pretty obvious to me. The people responsible for the results of those polls thought that all the other candidates running for office (who had a chance to win that is) were just as bad as Bush.

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Squirley, you are exactly right. Politicians say what we want to hear. My dad voted for George Bush when he ran against Gore on a platform of small government and limited foreign involvement. Well, obviously he lied, but that does not say my dad is a foolish man, nor an ignorant one. Hindisght is 20/20, but when a politician runs on a certain platform, you have no choice but to believe him, either that or vote for the other guy(s), or don't vote at all. The fact is, as you stated, of course you are going to feel you are being lied to. When Bush ran that platform of small government for example, you could not anticipate 9/11 happening. Now, this does not justify how he has swung and missed on nearly everything he has tried, but I am not sure if I would call him a lliar because he went against his platform. Times are constantly changing, Kerry was called a flip-flopper, a man to be distrusted because he never seemed to have a strong ground on many issues. Well, he was also a Senator since the stone age, so it is only natural, and I would hope that his ideas on issues would evolve and change.

I agree with Sand Leaper, people voted for Bush because Kerry was such on awful candidate. While I was not "brainwashed" by the reps. to believe he was a liar, you never knew where he stood on an issue. When asked if we should have gone to war in Iraq, his balls sunk into his body. The man had no courage, no direction. Bush is in office not just because of those who support him, but also those who abhore him. THere is but one hope for the dems and that is my homestate Senator Obamma. This man seems to be as close as you'll ever get to a clean politician. Unfortunately, he is black, and I do not have faith in this country voting for him because of that.

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I love Obama as much as the next liberal, but remember, he's a junior Senator with more or less no political history on the national level -- he won't be groomed enough for a serious run for 7-11 years minimum.

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Originally posted by squirrelly Because there have never been mislead wars, right? Because soilders haven't gone overseas for a war that wasn't ours before, right? Because soilders have never died for a cause that wasn't just before, right? You think I'm for this war? I'm not. You think I'm okay with the fact that my best friends are getting shipped off for months a time only to have bombs blow up in their face? I'm not. You think I am happy Bush got re-elected? I'm not, I think this country is filled with a bunch of fucking morons. But face the facts. This grand old country, re-elected Bush. Keep that in mind when you're bitching about the this bullshit administration that we have going on right now.

I wasn't jumping on you or anything, I was merely trying to distinguish this particular lie from others. Yes, politics unfortunately carries with it a stigma of dishonesty; but when everything an individual says is on record there are bound to be contradictions. I'm fairly understanding when it comes to campaign promises that don't come true, simply because the intention may very well be there but a partisan Congress may make realization of goals impossible.

However, the lies this Administration has fed the United States are extremely damaging in that they led the population intentionally (as the Downing Street Memo has proven) toward violence on foreign soil.

I think you're alluding to Vietnam when you say imply politicians have lied about wars in the past. However, there was no doubt in the minds of Washington or Peoria that Vietnam was being fought as a means by which the spread of communism to Southeast Asia could be stopped. Now, whether you agree or disagree with this reason as a rational pretext for war is not the point. The point is, America was not lied to, which I think is an important distinction to make.

When the United States government engages in the act of creating misinformation and dishonesty as a pretext for war, that's a sad state of affairs, and this Administration, in my opinion, has gone too far, sacrificing American lives for false rationale and reason.

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Ok, Daily Show once again, and this time, it's so poignant. Seriously, Jon Stewart goes where no other journalist will... and yet it's a lot closer to the truth than most get.

From The TV Squad

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Next, we discuss the popular trend of deceptive rhetoric used by the government (now more so than ever). This influx began with Clinton's infamous "Depends on what your definition of 'is' is" and now is on to Dick Cheney saying that we are in the last throes of the Iraqi insurgency. Last throes? Not so much according to the latest reports. So the evidence, or "facts" as some people like to call them, suggest that Cheney might be wrong? Hmm. Cheney jumps to his defense, "If you're looking for what the dictionary says about 'throes', it can still be a violent period. 'Throes of a revolution'". Donald Rumsfeld says the same and then adds, "Look it up in the dictionary", so Stewart does so. So it turns out that 'throes' is a violent thing. Stewart states that Americans are actually more concerned about the 'last' aspect, rather than the 'throes' part. So, Rumsfeld, how long will the last throes go on? He says up to twelve years. Not months, but years. How can we possibly be in the last throes if we've only been in Iraq for two years and we've still got up to twelve left?! And just to think that Rumsfeld once said that the insurgency wouldn't even take up to six months.

And..... I found the video!!!

Here it is, second link down:

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchi...show_video.html

Enjoy.

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