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AlphaStarred
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Registered: Jul 2002
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Re: Re: Bring Back The Dirtyness!

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Originally posted by MarathonMan
Werd!

We want tracks like

Peace Division - No More Minimal Shit


nah, more like Peace Division - No More Subliminal Shit (D. Ramirez rmx)

Old Post Jul-06-2005 02:40  Israel
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Clovis
techno jungle shit



Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Los Angeles

I saw Lawler two weeks back...


that guys is fuckin DIRTY


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Old Post Jul-06-2005 02:46  France
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Aiwendil
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Registered: Apr 2005
Location: Ever The Same

Dirty nothing. You don't even know what "dirty" means. You just use it to describe some intangible nothing you hear when...well whatever the fuck you hear.


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flavdave
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Registered: Jan 2004
Location: Richmond/Blacksburg, VA

quote:
Originally posted by Aiwendil
Dirty nothing. You don't even know what "dirty" means. You just use it to describe some intangible nothing you hear when...well whatever the fuck you hear.


You didn't even know who Pink Floyd was.

Old Post Jul-06-2005 04:38  United States
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IpLaYWiTLiGhTs
FIST PUMP



Registered: Feb 2003
Location: Hawaii :D

amen.

I love the "dirty" sound that makes you feel sweaty and filthy.

Makes you want to walk up to some random hoe, back hand her, and give her the good ol'. After, you tell her to get you some god damn juice. Er...dunno if that's just me.

Anyways, like someone said - old Lawler or Moshic stuff gets the job done.


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Okay iv hurd the Album and lemmi tell you guyz.... Tiesto is gono make it back to the top again with these hits. The thing about it is that hes trying 2 bring a new style tho just like he did with Just be and it worked. they songs areunt TOO HIGHT up. but the vocals acaully are the best thing in 2007. The Track Carpe Noctum is like traffic but it hink he could of prefected the shit ouf it. but generalllyy its an amazing album...oh and Ten Seconds Before Sunrise is like Forever today TIMES 12

Old Post Jul-06-2005 07:53  United States
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isoterra
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Nottingham, UK

quote:
Originally posted by flavdave
You didn't even know who Pink Floyd was.


You kidding me? He was awesome!





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noikeee
dubstep convert



Registered: Apr 2002
Location: lost and wandering looking for directions.

Minimal for me, sorry. These last couple bandwagons have brought some excellent music IMO, i guess it'll eventually reach the overloaded point like progressive did, but so far i've been loving it.

Lawler isn't bad tho.


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Old Post Jul-06-2005 14:43  Portugal
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TOR
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Bruges, Belgium

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
i just like my music more driving and banging...


same here. there's lots of minimal i like, but only when i listen to it at home.. it's just not driving enough to keep me interested in a club or at an event.

same goes for prog for that matter

i fully agree with TTA.. bring back the filthy tech house


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what does it mean for a tack to be 'dirty' 'filthy' and such?

what about the song makes is dirty? I guess I never understood that one, how a sound can be dirty.

I remember a few songs that I guess people commonly refer to as dirty music though

dirty - dirty
PQM - you are sleeping

what makes these songs dirty? I guess the general mood of that style encourages people to act naughty, but I still cant find quite the right things to pay attention for in order to detect a tracks 'dirtyness'. Overall they seem to be very bass heavy. The gimmick seems to revolve around appealing to naughty behavior, avoiding high pitched synthplay as much as possible. But yeah, I guess it is distorted base and emphasis on the percussion rather than the synthplay, please somebody explain this to be better because I am just guessing.

This style seems to focus the attention of the parts of the songs that I usually take for granted. The pieces I would generaly ignore, like the subtle bass runblings and the way the secondary percs are laid out. I guess thats why I never followed it too much, because it seemed to revolve around the parts of music that I generally ignored.

The raunchy gimmick just doesnt do it for me I guess, maybe it is because I never get a chance to get drunk while I'm partying because I always have to drive 3+ hours to get to the place. I imagine this kind of music would be much more enjoyable in a drunk setting.

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DJ Intrigue
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Registered: Jun 2002
Location: Central PA

quote:
Originally posted by Zombie0915
what does it mean for a tack to be 'dirty' 'filthy' and such?

what about the song makes is dirty? I guess I never understood that one, how a sound can be dirty.

I remember a few songs that I guess people commonly refer to as dirty music though

dirty - dirty
PQM - you are sleeping

what makes these songs dirty? I guess the general mood of that style encourages people to act naughty, but I still cant find quite the right things to pay attention for in order to detect a tracks 'dirtyness'. Overall they seem to be very bass heavy. The gimmick seems to revolve around appealing to naughty behavior, avoiding high pitched synthplay as much as possible. But yeah, I guess it is distorted base and emphasis on the percussion rather than the synthplay, please somebody explain this to be better because I am just guessing.

This style seems to focus the attention of the parts of the songs that I usually take for granted. The pieces I would generaly ignore, like the subtle bass runblings and the way the secondary percs are laid out. I guess thats why I never followed it too much, because it seemed to revolve around the parts of music that I generally ignored.

The raunchy gimmick just doesnt do it for me I guess, maybe it is because I never get a chance to get drunk while I'm partying because I always have to drive 3+ hours to get to the place. I imagine this kind of music would be much more enjoyable in a drunk setting.


IMO, there is no "gimmick" and I never really associated naughty behavior with the dirtyness of a track. I could see how you would jump to that conclusion, but I think it is way off.

The "dirtyness" of a track refers to the overall tone and vibe it gives off. To start, tribal house and much of the older Twilo progressive house as well as some tech/deep house sound like this and you really need to properly listen to it to get a sense for what elements comprise this sound. I'm sure what is considered dirty to one person is not to another, so I'll try to break it down from my experience. I'd say that one main characteristic which makes a track dirty is its groove. The percussion and low rumbling bass are crafted in a way that a tight and very danceable foundation is formed. If anything, the gimmick would revolve around the ability to dance rather than being a sexual ass.

Another thing that seems prevalent is the tone. Many of these tracks have sort of a brooding, dark tribal feel which is accentuated by the use of certain synths and pads. I like to think of the synths to be almost industrial and warehouse sounding and that gives some nice substance to the percussion already going on. Vocal effects, reverb, and middle eastern chants/sounds add even more depth and the combination is one that results in a wicked sounding tune. The vocals could be haunting in nature or more of a Deep Dish style affair. Also, the pads and melodies that are present are not the obnoxious in-your-face shit that sounds like something from the early days of Nintendo. They are more layered, subtle, and interlocked than that of other types of dance music. Of course not all the tracks classified as being dirty are completely dark. Some have more of a lighter feeling, such as Tarrentella & Redanka's Instrumental of Datar's track "U". It just depends on the track. Maybe someone else can help me out here because it is kind of hard to explain.

Check out this liveset. It is my personal favorite and definitely gives a representation of what dirty music sounds like.

-Hernan Cattaneo - Live at Mixmasters (June 6, 2002)

Also, check out stuff from Chus & Ceballos, Steve Porter's earlier work/remixes, Lexicon Avenue, and Satoshi Tomiie as well as Steve Lawler, Danny Tenaglia, and Behrouz.


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Psiweaver
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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Culver City United States

Yeah I love dark and dirty and banging sound. I hope it comes back.


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Old Post Jul-06-2005 19:33  United Kingdom
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Zombie0915




Registered: Jul 2001
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hmmm, that cattaneo dude is supposed to be in my neighborhood this thrursday ...

it does seem like something that is hard to find the right words to describe

whenever I see people play that kind of stuff around here, I never see anybody dancing. So I can't quite understand how a thing so subtle is more danceable, having not seen much besides kids flailing wildly to DnB or standing around nodding their heads to whatever else kids are playing.

Are there any video files floating around of people dancing to this stuff? I am a bit curious what a floor full of fans of this kind of music looks like, because I have heard the talk about it being deancable before but just never had a chance to see it. I dont think I will see it this upcoming thursday, because oakey is playing at that same party so I doubt the crowd will be in the mood for dirtyness, prolly just pack the place just because they recognize oakeys name, sigh.

Old Post Jul-06-2005 19:59  United States
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