Whether he knew English or not, if you see armed officers chasing your ass, yelling at you, you STOP.
Who the hell runs??? I'm sure that's exactly what the officers were thinking too when they made their decision.
However, 5 bullets is a little excessive.

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I feel sorry for all the muslims in London right now .Their lives wont never be the same.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I feel sorry for all the muslims in London right now .Their lives wont never be the same.

I would go beyond London.
I'm sure it's rough on all of them in the Western culture.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Whether he knew English or not, if you see armed officers chasing your ass, yelling at you, you STOP. Who the hell runs??? I'm sure that's exactly what the officers were thinking too when they made their decision. However, 5 bullets is a little excessive.

They were plain clothes cops, how they hell was he meant to know?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Whether he knew English or not, if you see armed officers chasing your ass, yelling at you, you STOP. Who the hell runs??? I'm sure that's exactly what the officers were thinking too when they made their decision. However, 5 bullets is a little excessive.

yup 5 bullets in the head is waaaaaaaaaay tooo excessive.

every muslim in London now is walking around with a bullseye on their head.

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Originally posted by Michael19 THey thought he was a suspect from the failed bombings a day before, so surely it was clear they thought he was a imminent threat. I find it hard to believe how he suddenly started acting suspiciously only when he entered the train station. It looks rather clear cut at the moment.

How is it clear cut? You don't even have the direct accounts from the officers themselves for christ's sake. Or the detailed account from any witnesses. At the most you have one or two specific quotes that the media included in an article that's less than 3 or 4 paragraphs. That's clear cut?? He didn't have a backpack which has been the MO of all previous terrorist attacks. Maybe they thought he was going to meet with co-conspirators to plan new attacks. You find it hard to believe he started acting suspicously when he got to the train station? On what mountain of evidence are you basing this on? I'm all ears ... you clearly have some additional insight in this whole affair that the rest of us lack ...

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer yup 5 bullets in the head is waaaaaaaaaay tooo excessive. every muslim in London now is walking around with a bullseye on their head.

It wasn't 5 bullets in the head to the best of my knowledge. And 5 bullets is not that unreasonable. If two or three officers are firing while running and they are shooting to kill, You can easily fire 2-3 rounds in one second alone.

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Based on your earlier post I guess it would be better to endanger the riding public to a potential stray shot fired from a policemans' gun than to apprehend the suspect and interrogate him?

If proper police procedure were to be done it would not have to be to endanger anyone not involved.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Occ: Based on your earlier post I guess it would be better to endanger the riding public to a potential stray shot fired from a policemans' gun than to apprehend the suspect and interrogate him? If proper police procedure were to be done it would not have to be to endanger anyone not involved.

I have no idea what the situational layout of the event was. Perhaps the policemen had a clear shot. If they clearly tried to apprehend him and failed, that's not a viable option anymore. It seems their options were:

A) Use lethal force.

or

B) Allow him to get on the train.

Option A does not necessarily mean that the public was endangered. Option B clearly could have. So perhaps they followed the proper procedures that lead to an unfortunate mishap. Granted I'm speculating as well, but I'm not arguing for their guilt or innocence. I'm arguing against any kind of premature judging with so little facts.

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"As the man got on the train I looked at his face. He looked from left to right, but he basically looked like a cornered rabbit, like a cornered fox. He looked absolutely petrified," said Whitby.
"He sort of tripped but they were hotly pursuing him and couldn't have been more than two or three feet behind him at this time.
"He half-tripped, was half-pushed to the floor. The policeman nearest to me had the black automatic pistol in his left hand, he held it down to the guy and unloaded five shots into him.
'He looked like a cornered fox'

When the armed officers reached the platform with their guns drawn, they shouted at everyone to get down. As waiting passengers and those already on a train that had pulled into the station dived to the floor, the suspect jumped on the train. Two witnesses said that as he entered the train he tripped, ending up half in and half out of the carriage, on all fours. Within seconds, as the clock tower outside the station chimed 10am, the officers caught up with the man and pushed him hard to the floor. Witnesses said that they then fired up to five bullets into him at close range, killing him instantly.
Suspect shot dead 'had no bomb'

You've been watching too many crime dramas like NYPD Blue or CSI.

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If the man was suspected to be carrying a bomb then why in the world would anyone try and subdue him physically on an occupied carriage where the possibility of detonation is high?

The autopsy report on entry and exit wounds would be very very interesting here.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 "As the man got on the train I looked at his face. He looked from left to right, but he basically looked like a cornered rabbit, like a cornered fox. He looked absolutely petrified," said Whitby. "He sort of tripped but they were hotly pursuing him and couldn't have been more than two or three feet behind him at this time. "He half-tripped, was half-pushed to the floor. The policeman nearest to me had the black automatic pistol in his left hand, he held it down to the guy and unloaded five shots into him. 'He looked like a cornered fox' When the armed officers reached the platform with their guns drawn, they shouted at everyone to get down. As waiting passengers and those already on a train that had pulled into the station dived to the floor, the suspect jumped on the train. Two witnesses said that as he entered the train he tripped, ending up half in and half out of the carriage, on all fours. Within seconds, as the clock tower outside the station chimed 10am, the officers caught up with the man and pushed him hard to the floor. Witnesses said that they then fired up to five bullets into him at close range, killing him instantly. Suspect shot dead 'had no bomb' You've been watching too many crime dramas like NYPD Blue or CSI. EDIT: If the man was suspected to be carrying a bomb then why in the world would anyone try and subdue him physically on an occupied carriage where the possibility of detonation is high? The autopsy report on entry and exit wounds would be very very interesting here.

Huh? How is my argument that since we don't know all the facts at hand we shouldn't rush to judgement imply that I've been watching too much tv crime dramas? Like I said, it would be nice to have the account from the police officers you know just so we have perspective from all sides.

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Originally posted by occrider I've been watching too much tv crime dramas?

i've been trying to tell you that for a long time