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Originally posted by ali92 OK. So I'm (we're?) 'real' liberals, then. I'm not for a big gov't & the loads of rules, etc, that even some people who consider themselves very liberal in this country (the US) do.

Exactly, liberal is all about being liberal, not about being not liberal like it is in the US

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Something that works best as a monoply (ie it has a big returns to scale).

Ok, so the "natural" part is really a misnomer.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Many argue that natural monopolies doesnt really exist tho, which I think is true (at least in most instances), we have seen this when it comes to the tele market for example.

Yeah, as long as we agree that no natural monopolies exist, I agree with George Smiley that they should me nationalized.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Exactly, liberal is all about being liberal, not about being not liberal like it is in the US

"Liberal" is really one of those words that have been totally abused to the point of losing its original meaning during the Kulturkampf in the US these last years. "Freedom" and "liberty" are two of the others. But as you yourself said that democratic ideals should be used for determining what the semantics of a word is, you should really start using "liberal" in the perverted sense.

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Originally posted by Yoepus This poll is shit, use the one and only divine and true poll: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forum/s...threadid=284220

My thread is like 50% more popular than yours, so there you go!!!

liberal and libertarian are not even close. libertarian is more of a practical conservative that laughs at most liberal beliefs and critisizes many conservative beliefs.

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Originally posted by rainbow_marble liberal and libertarian are not even close. libertarian is more of a practical conservative that laughs at most liberal beliefs and critisizes many conservative beliefs.

In the US yes, but i think someone liberal in Europe would be closer to a libertian than a democrat aka US liberals

So damn complicated. What's the point of this again? I'm sure we can all predict each others arguments by now. At least the old schoolers.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Owning TA.com and banning whosever signature you like? Don't worry, this whining and complaining will only go on for about 2 more months

You're not the first one who's sig got edited Youpes. Although I thought your sig was funny, it's understandable how some might find it offensive. Remember Zig, the irish dude who used to post here not too long ago? His sig was "100% Liberal" and that was the first one I remember being removed. I don't even understand how that could possibly be offensive.

Anyways, I think it's stupid to ban sigs because they're political. Bring back the mustard!

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I went with other, since I don't adhere to any one ideology, they all have they're pros and cons. If I were to consider myself anything, I guess I would be somewhere between Socialist(not to be confused with communism, and I know many ppl aren't aware of the distinction between the two) and Libertarian (in the American sense) and Anarchist(no, I don't believe in choas and disorder, by Anarchism I mean constantly questioning the legitimacy of authority, if a Goverment is corrupt/tyranical, it needs to be torn down and replaced by a new one).

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

hmmm. its difficult to find a balance between theoretical idealism and some form of practicality.

anywayz, im kinda like shaolin, a mixture of libertarian & socialist perspectives. maybe even throw in some neo-con (apparently) too (tho neo is such a bullshit wanky term)

on a grand scale, id like everyone on the planet to be able to enjoy the freedoms, safeties & opportunities that ive been lucky enough to receive. whichever ideology fits in best at the time.

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