While it's always annoying to have to deal with more restrictions rules and regulations I personally find it good that something is finally getting down to try and make the whole thing legit.

Now the other way I look at it is that it's obviously not written by actual users. It appears this was specifically intended for DJs yet it fails to meet their specific needs on multiple points.

No altering of tracks ( personal edits remixes? )

I was willing to think this agreement was borderline acceptable till I saw this:
Limited to 10 000 tracks for the whole database!
Come on!?
Do they even know that the basic ipods ( 20 gb ) hold 5000 song and everyone one has a device like that for their own personal use YET a dj who's job it is to essentially play music cannot play MORE then 10 000 tracks?
Stupid stupid stupid.



Btw will this be something considered obligatory for djs to have over in the Uk?

I don't see why they have to start something else when the venues already pay licensing fees ( that do admitidly never make it into the pockets of the right artists it seems )

I'm not sure how bad off it is here in America, when it comes to licencing, but I'm sure it's either similar or worse.

Makes me want to throw REAL under-ground parties, and play ALL my rare mp3 tracks, that I downloaded illegally. Some tracks you just can't get on wax/cd anymore.

But yea. This is quite the load of BS.

While I agree some of it is obvious like, "if you're playing out, for god's sake play LEGAL digital media."

That I understand. But the 10,000 track limit is pretty retarded. And no personal mixes or edits? EVEN MORE retarded...

In fact. That's the worse. A lot of DJs get really well known because they are decent producers and can drop a popular track that THEY remixed and the crowd can go nanners!

Anyway. It's bull. How unfortunate.

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(1) The DJ will only be licensed to make digital copies of legitimately-sourced sound recordings owned by the DJ – e.g. vinyl, CDs, digital downloads from legitimate websites. Copies cannot be made from illegitimate sources such as bootleg CDs or unauthorised download sites, or from CDs or digital files borrowed from e.g. another DJ. The DJ will not be permitted to make digital copies of unauthorised “mixes” of sound recordings.

I think most of us did not read this article before bashing it. We can make digital copies of legitimate source recordings so if i buy from beatpor...i can make a copy of the song.......wait nvm read number three


(3) The DJ will not be able to make or keep multiple digital copies of any sound recording, whether in the database or separately.

wtf does that conflict or is it just me?

also you can only have a single database of the songs....if your hardrive blows then there goes everything. (Great way to sabotage otehr dj's though)

Finally, how the heck are any artists allowed to remix a track if you can't even edit the recording?

Why cant the ppl idiots just ban and get rid of all filesharing programs instead of doing this stupid stuff. The whole point of dj's is to make people dance and to promote music so the public can buy and listen to it. Also will pre-mixed cd's be allowed to be sold

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Dear god this is bullshit, I haven't been able to read it all yet as I gotta go, but I've skimmed threw it, and this all sounds like utter bullshit, I'm 100% for making things legit and cutting down illegal mp3s, but THIS IS NOT THE WAY, this is just more assholes wanting more money, don't these people know that alot of music these days are heard and made popular by DJs playing alot of tunes, this is gonna have a huge impact on that, there is alot of music from some genres of EDM that you can only really get on CD, and I bet alot of those DJs will give up or change if they have to follow rules that are like this.

As for no edits or recording of mixes, holy shit this is part of the backbone to making the music scene bigger, prolly 90% of the music I own is from hearing it in various peoples mixes, if I didn't my vinyl collection wouldn't be what it is, as for remixes/edits, ALOT of mixes that come out now adays are from producers remixing and either sending the track to the artist or they get the mix round to other DJs to be heard, then they get signed, if this becomes illegal then they can't do that and it would end up coming down to the artist or record label picking someone to make a remix (they do this anyway), and so there wouldn't be as many remixes as there could be being released.

Anyway I could go on forever about this, this scene is going down the shitter because of asshole organizations like these, fuckin money hungry organizations, one day we will have to pay to breath.

Freak, I hope this is just some big joke or something, but I can't see you doing something like this to the booth so I'm afraid it is real, I'll give this a full read tomorrow after work, do you mind if I send this to some other forums for feedback?, I was thinking about sending it to Skratchworx as many companies check there boards and so the feedback from DJs like us could get to the right people and maybe something better can happen.

is there any protest being done about this? any way to voice our concerns to the right people?

or is this one of those things that will just happen without concern for the public opinion...

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Originally posted by DannyO Freak, I hope this is just some big joke or something, but I can't see you doing something like this to the booth so I'm afraid it is real, I'll give this a full read tomorrow after work, do you mind if I send this to some other forums for feedback?, I was thinking about sending it to Skratchworx as many companies check there boards and so the feedback from DJs like us could get to the right people and maybe something better can happen.

No its nto a joke... I wish it was.
Feel free to link to it or cut and paste sure.

Its utterly ridiculous-paying to use stuff you have already payed for, or to make back ups (which is NOT illegal)..... madness.
Im a bit pissed off with it to be honest.

I can hardly believe that.. i mean those new rules they are trying to force on the EDM scene is just stupid...these ignorant poeple making ignorant rules. I understand that the PPL wants to stop illegal downloading of music files...but i mean to impose some of those rules its just taking it to far...i am never going to pay twice to have a vinyl on CD that i made myself, one of the dumbest things ive heard in a while...

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The DJ will not be permitted to make digital copies of unauthorised “mixes” of sound recordings.

that is going to hurt the scene so much...and i dont approve of that, being able to download the latest mix of your current favorite DJ is one of the coolest parts, espically when your looking for that next vinyl you gotta have.

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Policing the use of digital copies (11) DJs will be required to report where they play (so that PPL can confirm the venues hold public performance licences under PPL’s Specially Featured Entertainment Tariff). (12) PPL will be entitled to inspect the DJ’s computer (or other storage device) to make sure that the DJ is complying with the terms of the licence. (13) DJs will have to provide a list of tracks copied onto their computer (or other storage device). This information will be required to enable PPL to distribute the licence fee income generated under the draft licensing arrangement.

That doest seem right that DJs will have to give a list of all tracks, and the device has to be searched...just seems a bit intrusive if you ask me

let the new era of underground djing begin.....

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Ummm.. Honestly I am speechless..

This WILL kill the scene IMO.. or atleast reduce it to something that no one will want to be apart of anymore..

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Originally posted by spdandpwr let the era of underground djing begin.....

well... let it be REVIVED!!!

It was there before. And like all good things, big companies, big names, and big organizations pick it up, bleed it, and leave it for dead.

If this trend continues... it will back-lash like it always does and we'll see a revival of the underground scene. I feel like im stating the obvious actually.

But yea. 'Tis bad news.

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Not surprised. Haven't received this little gem in the post but as mentioned earlier, I'm sure that they have already actioned it.

Although I assume the fee is Tax deductable for regular DJs the implications to those guys who are up and comming who play out every now and again are totally minging.

What bugs me is that they have put a limit (although it's quite high) on how much music you can have. For f*ck sake. It's been paid for by us, why can't we keep it?

This is quite short sighted, but they are under a lot of pressure from the music industry so this may not be directly from them.

I think there may be a legal issue there too. If as they say you are not allowed to make copies even if it's from records you own (for public performance). The file you are dowloading should be classified as your original as you have actually paid for it. Could get some interesting legal loopholes comming out of this.

It is getting out of hand and this is a poor attempt at a solution, but you may well see a vinyl backlash.

Would be interesting to see what would happen if the companies who make all this digital media (CDJs, Traktor, Ableton etc.) started to loose income because of this law.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 ould be interesting to see what would happen if the companies who make all this digital media (CDJs, Traktor, Ableton etc.) started to loose income because of this law.

Hope not. These products aide to a performance. You can do amazing things with even just a regular CDJ800. Fun stuff. So it is quite frustrating that these laws could possibly limit creative mixing.

I'm all for vinyl, nothing sounds better than a 12", but would a painter be happy if you said "sorry you can't use red anymore."

This reduces a DJs pallete, I mean, it might foster extra creativity, but I;m still very bothered by these "knee jerk" laws.

I need to read up on live performance laws and copy-right stuff in the US.

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