i just saw the video and its so completely obvious angry ravers are blowing things out of proportion. its obvious the government wants to make an example but i dont think they would have moved in like that unless they had good legal reason. i didnt see anything in the video that would indicate any of the atrocities allegedly commited by the soldiers/officers are true

the government was just being the conservative government it is and wanted to make an example im sure they had every legal recourse to do what they did. yah thats fucked up and maybe the organizers tried to do everything by the book but missed out on some loop hole or something but i dont think there was any mass civil liberty violations here.

it sux if anyones going to jail for drugs or whatnot but they should understand thats the risk they're taking by having them. if you got a problem with that join an organization trying to legalize them

theres not much you can do. this will be old archived news in a week

point to note: no more raves in Utah

in haifa we have all the regulations for nightclub related licenses being pushed further with minimal notice.

2 major clubs have been closed over the past 2 monthes, and it's only getting worse.

the regulations are getting absurd, soon the main nightlife activities in haifa would be limited to pubs/coffee houses/etc.


if i had the minimal funds needed to ressurect some form of an underground 'rebellion' i might have done that, but probably not, because i don't want to invest any efforts in here any more.

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this was a HUGE incident. i actually have the video footage downloaded on my comp. you can actually see the soldiers throwing people to the ground and letting the dogs maul people. fucking awful.

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Originally posted by josh4 i just saw the video and its so completely obvious angry ravers are blowing things out of proportion. its obvious the government wants to make an example but i dont think they would have moved in like that unless they had good legal reason. i didnt see anything in the video that would indicate any of the atrocities allegedly commited by the soldiers/officers are true the government was just being the conservative government it is and wanted to make an example im sure they had every legal recourse to do what they did. yah thats fucked up and maybe the organizers tried to do everything by the book but missed out on some loop hole or something but i dont think there was any mass civil liberty violations here. it sux if anyones going to jail for drugs or whatnot but they should understand thats the risk they're taking by having them. if you got a problem with that join an organization trying to legalize them theres not much you can do. this will be old archived news in a week point to note: no more raves in Utah

lol, after reading this i didnt even have to look at your name to know you were american

Time to Wake up people. And for those who are skeptic to what has been going on lately in our World that is to be expected. Before getting verbal in defense do some research (other then major news media) and then you will go through the same process that I did a few months ago. Shock, Anger and then a urging feeling to spread the word.
http://infowars.com/articles/ps/uta...d_by_police.htm


Download the Video called:
9-11 - Rise of the police state if you want PROOF.
You can preview it here:
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then after actually ingesting all this knowledge and information I would be willing to listen to your comments, but my bet is you will just keep your Pride and do what they want you too and turn on MTV or CNN and forget about it. Just wait until it comes to your door... Or you could just spend about 30 minutes doing some research..

these ravers complain like palestinians

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid PROOF OR STFU

Stay away from ABCNNBCBS for starters. The only proof they offer is slanted towards globalization.

Now all you need to ask is what proof do you need. Not what proof anyone can give you. There is a difference.

You show signs that you have cognitive dissonance. If you can get over that then you can see.

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There's still raves in this country?

There's still electronica dance music here?

Guess it just doesn't go away when I in my egocentric world get too old for this shit myself.

But then again, there always seems to be a smelly grumpy old bearded hippy in every rave. Maybe I should re-enlist?

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Originally posted by Yoepus these ravers complain like palestinians

and the Police/SWAT Team were as brutal as the IDF.

America is turning into a police state, this being only one small example.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z and the Police/SWAT Team were as brutal as the IDF. America is turning into a police state, this being only one small example.

It has been a police state since 911. Its getting bad. Hell you can't even walk down 6th street down in austin and trip on a frigging crack in the side walk with getting hassled or worse sprayed in the face with mace.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 There's still raves in this country? There's still electronica dance music here? Guess it just doesn't go away when I in my egocentric world get too old for this shit myself. But then again, there always seems to be a smelly grumpy old bearded hippy in every rave. Maybe I should re-enlist?

The scene is still very well alive and active here in California. Fortunately for us, we haven't had to deal with such an extreme circumstance of excessive force. Police just show up, tell us to go home, and the partygoers disband peacefully. There is no need to send S.W.A.T. members in toting assault rifles and police dogs biting people. These aren't friggin' rap concerts.

Email response from Utah County Sheriff Tracy

http://www.utrave.org/showthread.ph...87&page=1&pp=10

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Thank you for your concern, all of your facts are incorrect and the gross exaggerations on the internet are just that, exaggerations and lies. Please view the "video" frame by frame, it shows two people, the two who assaulted our deputies, being taken to the ground and handcuffed, not assaulted. There were two people that were dealt with in a physical manner after kicking and assaulting the Deputy. No gas, no dogs, no tasers, and no military or guns were pointed into any ones face or were used. This gathering was illegal and a venue for rampant use of illegal drugs. I am "the establishment" and you will choose to call me a liar and I will not waste any more of my time arguing with those that have political agendas that include allowing or promoting the breaking of law. Sheriff Tracy