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Originally posted by Akridrot If it prevents drugs from getting in, then I can't say I'm against it.

Well, having the death penalty is probablty the most effective penalty to prevent/minimize something. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's appropriate.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Not like I'm against drugs or anything, but if you smuggle drugs into a country where you know what the penalties are, then yes, you are well past "stupid"! Still, I dont believe in the death penalty so if your country does not as well, then there should be diplomatic pressure used to ensure your nationals do not face that punishment

I agree except for the last part. If you're against the death penalty (as me), there should not be diplomatic pressure to get these stupid people of the hook. There should be diplomatic pressure to abolish the death penalty entirely.
It really sickens me when Westerners expect people from the west to be exempt from local laws in third world countries, and also when a public outcry, such as the one for Corby, gains momentum, while noone gives a f*ck about all the local people who get executed every year.

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Originally posted by trancaholic I agree except for the last part. If you're against the death penalty (as me), there should not be diplomatic pressure to get these stupid people of the hook. There should be diplomatic pressure to abolish the death penalty entirely.

the penalty ill always be around. there'll never be a world consensus to abolish it. everyone's at it

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Originally posted by trancaholic It really sickens me when Westerners expect people from the west to be exempt from local laws in third world countries, and also when a public outcry, such as the one for Corby, gains momentum, while noone gives a f*ck about all the local people who get executed every year.

yeah, but we're lazy. you dont have enough time to think about everyone that is suffering on this planet. at its most basic, its like arguing about the football gossip from the weekend

i do care for *anyone* stuck in those circumstances for those particular crimes. but, in reality, you get people in western nations to start telling various government's around the world how to treat their own citizens i dont think anyone is listening to anything certain members of the west have to say anymore.

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Originally posted by trancaholic I agree except for the last part. If you're against the death penalty (as me), there should not be diplomatic pressure to get these stupid people of the hook. There should be diplomatic pressure to abolish the death penalty entirely. It really sickens me when Westerners expect people from the west to be exempt from local laws in third world countries, and also when a public outcry, such as the one for Corby, gains momentum, while noone gives a f*ck about all the local people who get executed every year.

You have a very good point there. +1. Didn't really think about it like that. But where do you draw the line between pressuring other nations, and, imposing on them by telling themselves how to Govern themselves?

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If I were Australian PM I would suspend diplomatic relations with these countries.

After all, you don't support (or recognize) countries that are terrorist, outlaw, illegal, etc., right? For example, the US has no relations with North Korea or Cuba. Russia does not recognize Chechnya. The Palestinian Authority is not universally recognized as a country.

In a similar vein, Australia should protest by not recognizing those regimes which have no regard for human life and liberties, like those in Asia. It should be an official government stance.

Suspend diplomatic relations because the country is imposing its law against someone who committed a crime in their country? I really don't see the problem as long as foreigners are getting the same punishment as locals would. I can maybe understand if they didn't know but there were warnings.

Personally I think the death penalty is a bit harsh for small time drug offenses, I can see it being used on more higher level cartel people who have directly or indirectly caused the death of others. However my opinion means nothing, this is their law.

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Suspend diplomatic relations because a country that punishes by death those who possess small amounts of pot violates international human values/conventions.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd Suspend diplomatic relations because a country that punishes by death those who possess small amounts of pot violates international human values/conventions.

One of our human rights is that we can carry pot?



hmm.....never knew that.



They desvere all they get. AT leat if they do kill them, they wont be allowed bring more stupid kids into the world.

If you dont like the punishment a country dishes out for commiting a crime, dont commit that crime.

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Originally posted by Michael19 One of our human rights is that we can carry pot? hmm.....never knew that. They desvere all they get. AT leat if they do kill them, they wont be allowed bring more stupid kids into the world. If you dont like the punishment a country dishes out for commiting a crime, dont commit that crime.

Well, now you're really taking it to the other extreme. They do not deserve what they will probably get because the indonesian law is definitely too harsh on such a minor issue. But they certainly are stupid, as their PM said. Australia probably will try to persuade Indonesia to solve the crises in some more reasonable way, but suspending diplomatic relations for two morons is really not something it should do either.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Well, now you're really taking it to the other extreme. They do not deserve what they will probably get because the indonesian law is definitely too harsh on such a minor issue. But they certainly are stupid, as their PM said. Australia probably will try to persuade Indonesia to solve the crises in some more reasonable way, but suspending diplomatic relations for two morons is really not something it should do either.

why shouldnt a country be allowed to push its criminals whatever way it wants?

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since michelle had converted, it will be harder for her to escaper than corby.

corby was 20 , who knows death or life imprisonment.
she was wrong to say that statement of being a muslim and becoming a muslim.

she are worse off being a muslim in an islamic country because their laws are much stricter than western laws.

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Originally posted by Michael19 why shouldnt a country be allowed to push its criminals whatever way it wants?

Yeah I am with you on that. Criminals are not being treated bad enough to never commit a crime again. Lets shoot a person for stealing a piece of bread next time it happens and if someone forgets to stop at a red light let them get beaten up by the cops because that person could have commited a worser crime