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Re: Re: 911/Katrina
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
How come the US military was on time for other hurricane releif efforts in the past???
You are the stupid little child. |
For you Cyrus:
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
Do you have any idea how long it takes to mobilize after such a storm. Mind you the storm was as big as 3 states, or better yet, the Size of Texas. |
You must have been overlooking this thread:
Serious Problems are Afoot in New Orleans
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Why rapid response last year?
Late Friday, about 1,400 National Guard troops were sent to hard-hit Port Charlotte, where there are numerous reports of injuries and search-and-rescue efforts are under way, according to the Federal Department of Emergency Management.
Mighty Charley loses steam
ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla. (8/16/2004) — More than 4,000 members of the Florida National Guard were on duty today to support recovery operations from Hurricane Charley's devastation Aug. 13 across southwest and central Florida.
Guardsmen Support Hurricane Charley Recovery Operations
PUNTA GORDA - Sgt. 1st Class John Garrison's Florida National Guard unit was shot at every day in Iraq. The troops endured dry desert heat for 15 months. The unit's 400 members were responsible for patrolling an area crammed with 700,000 Iraqis.
Now, three months after its return from Iraq, Garrison's unit has been summoned to help the victims of Hurricane Charley. They can see that the damage is bad, that Charlotte County residents are suffering.
For Guard, Charley is better than Iraq
President Bush declared Florida, Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi disaster areas, making federal funding and aid available. The declaration for Florida was the third in a month, following those issued for hurricanes Charley and Frances.
More than 2,000 National Guard troops were moving into northwest Florida to assist with assessment and cleanup operations, Gov. Bush said.
Ivan made landfall on the east side of Mobile Bay in Alabama at 1:50 a.m. (2:50 a.m. ET) Thursday as a slightly weakened Category 3 hurricane with winds of 130 mph (208 kph).
Ivan's stormy trek floods Southeast
But they're in Iraq:
The National Guard has always been America's first line of defense and support after natural disasters, but with 100,000 Guardsmen deployed overseas supporting missions from Afghanistan and Iraq to the Balkans, its disaster-relief force is smaller.
Storm Surge (A National Guard Association of the United States article)
2005:
Florida Lt. Gov. Toni Jennings said Florida had prepared well for the emergency, with 2,600 National Guard troops ready to be dispatched to affected areas.
Dennis spreads across Southeast
Dennis was the only other US mainland hurricane to hit before Katrina. |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
During wartime, Guard units can be mobilized to fight overseas. Back home, they typically fall under the control of their state governors and are available for emergencies. But with the active-duty military stretched in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Guard and Reserves have been called on to play a major role. About 40% of all U.S. troops in Iraq are Guard and Reserves.
Louisiana is also suffering the recruiting problems afflicting the Guard nationwide. Nationally, the Army Guard is making only about 80% of its recruiting goals this year. Louisiana has had a more difficult time than most states, making only 53% of its goal through July. That shortfall translates into a deficit of about 800 Army Guard recruits.
Col. Jerry Vaughn, joint forces chief of staff for the Florida National Guard, said his state had about 6,000 soldiers called up after Hurricane Andrew in 1992. But even that contingent, roughly equal to all the Guard troops remaining in Louisiana, wasn't sufficient. The Pentagon also sent troops from two divisions to Florida.
Pentagon to send 10,000 National Guard troops |
If you have time to play cards you have time to go help people:
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
NEW ORLEANS, United States (AFP) - A top New Orleans police officer said that National Guard troops sat around playing cards while people died in the stricken city after Hurricane Katrina.
New Orleans deputy police commander W.S. Riley launched a bitter attack on the federal response to the disaster though he praised the way the evacuation was eventually handled.
His remarks fuelled controversy over the government's handling of events during five days when New Orleans succumbed to lawlessness after Katrina swamped the city's flood defenses.
The National Guard commander, Lieutenant General Steven Blum, said the reservist force was slow to move troops into New Orleans because it did not anticipate the collapse of the city's police force.
Guardsmen 'played cards' amid New Orleans chaos: police official
And the LA gov said they were battle hardened. Go figure. |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
I like this part the best:
"For 72 hours this police department and the fire department and handful of citizens were alone rescuing people. We have people who died while the National Guard sat and played cards. I understand why we are not winning the war in Iraq if this is what we have." |
Fair warning:
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Mike Brown: Oh that meeting...nope, I don't remember that meeting I had the other day what about you Mike? Mike Chertoff: Nope can't say that I remember seeing you at that meeting:
NEW YORK Dr. Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center, told the Times-Picayune Sunday afternoon that officials with the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Department of Homeland Security, including FEMA Director Mike Brown and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, listened in on electronic briefings given by his staff in advance of Hurricane Katrina slamming Louisiana and Mississippi--and were advised of the storm’s potential deadly effects.
"Mayfield said the strength of the storm and the potential disaster it could bring were made clear during both the briefings and in formal advisories, which warned of a storm surge capable of overtopping levees in New Orleans and winds strong enough to blow out windows of high-rise buildings," the paper reported. "He said the briefings included information on expected wind speed, storm surge, rainfall and the potential for tornados to accompany the storm as it came ashore.
"We were briefing them way before landfall," Mayfield said. "It’s not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the levee could be topped."
Hurricane Center Director Tells Paper He Briefed Brown and Chertoff on Danger of Severe Flooding |
Let's not forget about Condi's night out watching Spamalot and buying Ferragamo shoes. Or Dubya and his guitar.
Or Dicks' whereabouts. He was last seen in Wyoming or some other high mountain state.
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Last edited by ogvh5150 on Sep-07-2005 at 22:19
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